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Postby Stevejobs » Sat Dec 22, 2012 7:46 pm

Hi All,

Woud like some opinion on below hand that i lost. Am i too lenient to assume that Shmikintos would not have Hole J and K taking into account that I have a king and the flop has a king.

Anyway that i could have played better ?

Hold'em No Limit ($1/$2)
6-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: lolailo87 ($214.65 in chips)
Seat 2: gkabl ($244.80 in chips)
Seat 3: El_dzik ($425.68 in chips)
Seat 4: Stevejobs ($110.55 in chips)
Seat 5: farsas01 ($78.89 in chips)
Seat 6: Shmikintos ($267.97 in chips)
gkabl: posts small blind $1
El_dzik: posts big blind $2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Stevejobs [Ks 6s]
Stevejobs: raises $2 to $4
farsas01: folds
Shmikintos: raises $6 to $10
lolailo87: folds
gkabl: folds
El_dzik: folds
Stevejobs: calls $6
*** FLOP *** [Kh Jd 6h]
Stevejobs: checks
Shmikintos: bets $16
Stevejobs: calls $16
*** TURN *** [Kh Jd 6h] [3d]
Stevejobs: bets $10
Shmikintos: raises $154 to $164
Stevejobs: calls $74.55 and is all-in
Uncalled bet ($79.45) returned to Shmikintos
*** RIVER *** [Kh Jd 6h 3d] [Kd]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Stevejobs: shows [Ks 6s] (a full house, Kings full of Sixes)
Shmikintos: shows [Js Kc] (a full house, Kings full of Jacks)
Shmikintos collected $221.30 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $224.10 | Rake $2.80
Board [Kh Jd 6h 3d Kd]
Seat 1: lolailo87 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: gkabl (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: El_dzik (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: Stevejobs showed [Ks 6s] and lost with a full house, Kings full of Sixes
Seat 5: farsas01 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: Shmikintos showed [Js Kc] and won ($221.30) with a full house, Kings full of Jacks
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Re: Opinion on this hand

Postby mal » Sun Dec 23, 2012 9:30 am

first of all.. is that real money table or play money? utg raising with K6s with players behind is definitely a nono.. calling a villian reraise with that holding? how do u expect to win that hand? if u hit a King, u still might be behind.. u r OOP, even if u r ahead, villian in posn will juz check to u... when u call the villian shove, what hands u put villian on? juz a lone King? pocket Kings and pocket jacks all beat u... but then again u have doubs on the flop.. u have no choice but to call anyway... so coming back again why play K6s at utg..villians min reraise u preflop at 1/2 table with KJo at that stake is normally to isolate bad players.. from the way u play the hand, u shld not be jumping straight to that stake.. learn more about the game and save ur BR...
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Re: Opinion on this hand

Postby Stevejobs » Sun Dec 23, 2012 7:01 pm

Thanks Mai for the great advice. Very bad play by me. Appreciate your opinion and help.
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Re: Opinion on this hand

Postby cluong » Mon Dec 24, 2012 12:03 pm

Hi Steve,

Now, what are the villain stats? What is his 3 bet range? Is he aggressive on the turn?

preflop:
agree with Mal, K6s is a little loose UTG/OOP
I would fold preflop unless his 3-bet range is huge. A 4 bet might be ok and would be better than to play OOP, so fold or 4-bet

Postflop:
We assume he is a standard player and not a fish
After the raise preflop and the action on the turn, those are some possible hands he could have with combos
AA: 6 combos
KK: 1 combo
AK: 8 combos
KQ: 8 combos
KJ: 6 combos
JJ: 3 combos

you beat AA, AK, KQ = 22 combos
you lose to KJ, JJ, KK: 10 combos

I would call the turn too since there are more combo you beat .. this is my humble opinion, feel free to critique
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Re: Opinion on this hand

Postby ibastard » Mon Dec 24, 2012 8:33 pm

Why is he losing to JJ? Villian would have jacks full of kings while our hero has kings full of sixes. Am I missing something here? Sorry if this is a dumb question.

Anyway stevejobs, your situation is similar to this video here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIkBngGQrUU
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Re: Opinion on this hand

Postby cluong » Mon Dec 24, 2012 11:46 pm

Hi ibastard,

I am talking about all in on the turn. He is losing to JJ
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Re: Opinion on this hand

Postby MJFX » Tue Dec 25, 2012 11:38 am

cluong wrote:Hi Steve,

Now, what are the villain stats? What is his 3 bet range? Is he aggressive on the turn?

preflop:
agree with Mal, K6s is a little loose UTG/OOP
I would fold preflop unless his 3-bet range is huge. A 4 bet might be ok and would be better than to play OOP, so fold or 4-bet

Postflop:
We assume he is a standard player and not a fish
After the raise preflop and the action on the turn, those are some possible hands he could have with combos
AA: 6 combos
KK: 1 combo
AK: 8 combos
KQ: 8 combos
KJ: 6 combos
JJ: 3 combos

you beat AA, AK, KQ = 22 combos
you lose to KJ, JJ, KK: 10 combos

I would call the turn too since there are more combo you beat .. this is my humble opinion, feel free to critique


Tbh, If u are assuming hes a standard player, he wont make that gross over shove at the turn with one pair. Need to re assess the hand range at the turn, its much narrow than that.
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Re: Opinion on this hand

Postby 2RandomCards » Thu Jan 03, 2013 2:14 am

Just my thoughts:

1) I think that to start it off a min raise opening from UTG should be to induce a 3bet when holding a monster.

2) OOP+no strong hand; if you wanna you could make it 3.5-4x or so max (if you hardly do so from early pos.) and if he 3bets big you can easily fold knowing you tried lol (totally agree with mal's point above). However, in the same spot with a monster the next orbit or so you could do exactly the same action and if the villan is cheeky enough he may 3bet (set him up for that). Then 4bet huge and take it down after lol. Also not advisable tho. Need the exact, perfect, sweet spot & a (Super?)LAG to pull it off.

But that's just the funny thoughts that go thru my head. Comments? I'm willing to learn too =D
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Re: Opinion on this hand

Postby LayQi » Fri Jan 04, 2013 12:09 am

Interesting hand. Good example to show why playing trouble hands OOP is indeed trouble.

As played.. the key is villain's 3bet preflop with KJo. Shows he must've quite laggy image and this makes our hand difficult to get away from. With that image, I probably would ve bet flop and thought hard after a huge raise. Still may not have folded.
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Re: Opinion on this hand

Postby 2RandomCards » Fri Jan 04, 2013 6:03 pm

Unless Hero had an image laggy enough to justify the 3bet with KJ. Too little info to go on.
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