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Would u have folded?

PostPosted: Mon Mar 07, 2011 6:10 pm
by Oreo123
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Hero [Kd Kc]
villain 1: raises $1 to $1.25
villain 2: raises $2.75 to $4
hero: calls $4
villain 1: folds
*** FLOP *** [8d 3s Qd]
villain 1: bets $7
hero: folds
villain 2 collected $9.36 from pot

I know its quite dumb folding considering i have over pair and everything. but the raise pre flop just make thinks that he have aces/ queens n flop a set.

Re: Would u have folded?

PostPosted: Mon Mar 07, 2011 7:12 pm
by pokerace
Along with my play,I will study the player n put a colour note.I will fold unless after the flop,there is an ace.

Re: Would u have folded?

PostPosted: Mon Mar 07, 2011 8:08 pm
by chenghao
Too little information.

Need more information Factors like , stack size , any history , even the positions ( did hero cold called ? or did hero call from the blinds ? etc)
say he has a 5 % preflop 3bet range, that puts him at
99+,AJs+,KQs,AKo
of the 99+ , you are behind AA QQ, tied with KK and ahead of the rest.
you are ahead of KQ AQ and AK , and the likes

Q83 flop looks safe for KK

Unless his a super nit who won't cbet unless he hits , you should at least call his flop cbet and plan to call him down

by calling , you would be ahead of most of his range , by raising , only the set / wierd 2pair would give you action , by folding , you would make no money when you bet with your set/ strong hands

Re: Would u have folded?

PostPosted: Mon Mar 07, 2011 9:19 pm
by Oreo123
On a 0.10/0.25 blinds game, villain has 13+, hero has 10+. Villain 1 has been folding most for the time. (the kind where a pre-flop re-raise would make him fold) by raising $7 on flop, it puts hero all-in. Thanks for the help!

Re: Would u have folded?

PostPosted: Mon Mar 07, 2011 9:37 pm
by chenghao
Oreo123 wrote:*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Hero [Kd Kc]
villain 1: raises $1 to $1.25
villain 2: raises $2.75 to $4
hero: calls $4
villain 1: folds
*** FLOP *** [8d 3s Qd]
villain 1: bets $7
hero: folds
villain 2 collected $9.36 from pot

I know its quite dumb folding considering i have over pair and everything. but the raise pre flop just make thinks that he have aces/ queens n flop a set.

Its a call most of the time

you mean that vilian 1 has been betting preflop and then check fold the flop OOP ?
cos this time , his OOP , and 3bet preflop , do you have any history of him 3betting preflop?

http://www.thepokerbank.com/strategy/general/spr/

the pot has $8 + $1.25 dead money from vilian 1 (assuming hero + villian 2 is in the pot)

you have less then $7 behind , his $7 puts you all in.

What is SPR?

SPR is the effective stack sizes divided by the size of the pot on the flop.

in this case , SPR = $7 / $(7 + $8) you are getting an awesome price.

we do not know his cbet % , but since his range is pretty tight at 13 +
we are looking at 77+,A8s+,K9s+,QTs+,JTs,ATo+,KJo+ , even against a 5% , you are more or less even , you are good most of the time against his 13 % range

combinatorics your KK vs the previously mentioned 5 % hands 99+,AJs+,KQs,AKo
combinations you are ahead of
99 , TT , JJ - 6 combos each - you mix the different suits and you will get 6 combinations of 99 [9s] [9d] , [9s] [9h] , [9s] [9c] , [9h] [9c] , [9h] [9d] , [9c] [9d] , repeat for TT and JJ
AJs 16 combos the 4 Jacks multiply by 4 Aces remaining in the deck
AQs 3 combos the 3 non diamond Q and non diamond Ace of the same suit
AKs/o 8 combo the 4 Ace + either of the 2 kings you do not hold
KQs 2 combo - as you have Kd and Kc , the only 2 kings left = Ks and Kh, so mix that with the respective queen.

total combos you are ahead of : 6 + 6 +6 + 16 + 3 +8 + 2 = 47 hands

combinations you are behind.
QQ AA (3 + 6) = 9

slight favourite against the last KK ( cos you have the backdoor diamond
which works against QQ and KK)

don't forget you can T or R the remaining K to put you ahead of QQ and AA.

Anything slower then a snap call = slow roll him

Re: Would u have folded?

PostPosted: Tue Mar 08, 2011 3:02 am
by axel
You're calling preflop to set mine with KK?

Re: Would u have folded?

PostPosted: Tue May 03, 2011 1:00 pm
by iastate
It depends on whether you think villain 2 is a tight player. It's possible that he/she 3-bet with AK or AQ that kind of hand. The bet on the flop could be a continuous bet. I would usually 4-bet with my Ks and see how he/she reacts. In micro cash games like this, a lot of players actually shove with AK. Unless the villain is super tight, your Ks are good most of the time.

Re: Would u have folded?

PostPosted: Thu May 26, 2011 8:35 am
by tally-ho
SHIP SNAP GET IT THE F*** IN NOW!!!!!!!

Re: Would u have folded?

PostPosted: Thu May 26, 2011 9:26 am
by mal
good riddance... are u playing one table? and mind u this is not high stakes.. say u r playing 8 tables, n u r telling me u r gg to analyse so deeply into the hand, then i think u need to buy a harddisk plus whatever gadgets and plug it to ur head. when u r playing micro or stakes that low, DO NOT overanalyse, especially not on premium hands like QQ+.. just go!!!! focus ur energy on tougher situation like a paired board when u have a flush, or when u have a set and theres a possible straight on the board.

Re: Would u have folded?

PostPosted: Thu May 26, 2011 9:35 am
by mal
One more thing to add, when u r multi-tabling, u r playing for the long haul. we all know that. there will be hands when u have AA and villians call ur shove with QQ,AK,KK.. over the long run, all these shoving and calling of premium hands pflop will offsett one another, basically it is just gambling of luck. what distinguish the long term winner from loser is how u play postflop and winning the max and losing the minimal, tats where the skill comes abt. and of course, hw u handle a bad beat.