common set over set......

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common set over set......

Postby linkensphere » Tue May 03, 2011 6:22 pm

topinstan: folds
Johnnie Papa: folds
Reezze: folds
sepp696: folds
pubbuFTW: calls $0.30
3keksa: folds
navp: raises $0.60 to $0.90
pcboi: folds
pubbuFTW: calls $0.60
*** FLOP *** [Ks 5h 3c]
navp: checks
pubbuFTW: checks
*** TURN *** [Ks 5h 3c] [Js]
navp: bets $1.50
pubbuFTW: raises $1.80 to $3.30
navp: raises $2.90 to $6.20 and is all-in
pubbuFTW: calls $2.90
*** RIVER *** [Ks 5h 3c Js] [8h]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
navp: shows [Jd Jh] (three of a kind, Jacks)
pubbuFTW: shows [5s 5c] (three of a kind, Fives)
navp collected $13.83 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $14.55 | Rake $0.72
Board [Ks 5h 3c Js 8h]
Seat 1: 3keksa (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: navp (big blind) showed [Jd Jh] and won ($13.83) with three of a kind, Jacks
Seat 3: pcboi folded before Flop
Seat 5: topinstan folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: Johnnie Papa folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: Reezze folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: sepp696 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: pubbuFTW (button) showed [5s 5c] and lost with three of a kind, Fives

was my check on the flop wrong?? would he have folded those 2 jacks if i bet? villain was 46/14
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Re: common set over set......

Postby axel » Tue May 03, 2011 8:00 pm

You answered your own question, villian is a fish so he's most probably not folding on the flop. Nonetheless you should have bet the flop since he'll call really wide there.
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Re: common set over set......

Postby chenghao » Tue May 03, 2011 9:40 pm

linkensphere wrote:topinstan: folds
Johnnie Papa: folds
Reezze: folds
sepp696: folds
pubbuFTW: calls $0.30
3keksa: folds
navp: raises $0.60 to $0.90
pcboi: folds
pubbuFTW: calls $0.60
*** FLOP *** [Ks 5h 3c]
navp: checks
pubbuFTW: checks
*** TURN *** [Ks 5h 3c] [Js]
navp: bets $1.50
pubbuFTW: raises $1.80 to $3.30
navp: raises $2.90 to $6.20 and is all-in
pubbuFTW: calls $2.90
*** RIVER *** [Ks 5h 3c Js] [8h]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
navp: shows [Jd Jh] (three of a kind, Jacks)
pubbuFTW: shows [5s 5c] (three of a kind, Fives)
navp collected $13.83 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $14.55 | Rake $0.72
Board [Ks 5h 3c Js 8h]
Seat 1: 3keksa (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: navp (big blind) showed [Jd Jh] and won ($13.83) with three of a kind, Jacks
Seat 3: pcboi folded before Flop
Seat 5: topinstan folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: Johnnie Papa folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: Reezze folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: sepp696 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: pubbuFTW (button) showed [5s 5c] and lost with three of a kind, Fives

was my check on the flop wrong?? would he have folded those 2 jacks if i bet? villain was 46/14


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Re: common set over set......

Postby iastate » Tue May 03, 2011 11:00 pm

First of all, set over set is not common. I mean, yeah, it happens, but it's not like you see it everyday, especially when there are only two players who see the flop. It's tough to lay down your set when there's no flush and straight possibilities on the board.

IMHO, it's not wrong to check on the flop. Villain could have slow played his top pair. Or, he could have had a smaller pair than Ks, By checking on the flop, you could make him think that he had the best hand, which you could use to trap him later on. Or, if the flop was complete air for him, you want him to hit something. In this case, checking on the flop would probably bring you the maximum value. Therefore, I would not say it's wrong play, but a strategy that you chose to use.

However, when he bet and then 3-bet on the turn, you ought to seriously think what hand he might have. Was he overplaying his AK? Did he have top two pairs like Ks and Js? Or, could he have a set of Ks or Js? In micro stakes games like this, people shove with two pairs and set the same way (or even top pair and top kicker); it's hard to tell. Unless you know his style very well, otherwise I would say you just pay him off and blame your luck.

Having said that, even if you have bet on the flop, I don't think he would fold his pocket Js since there was only one overcard. The result would still be the same. Just my two cents.
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Re: common set over set......

Postby keldraco » Sun May 08, 2011 1:14 pm

hi i have a question here. if villain is slow playing his hand, then isn't it better to bet out and let him raise u? if he has a pair lower then king he will most likely call your bet too.
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Re: common set over set......

Postby axel » Sun May 08, 2011 7:14 pm

Actually the mistake starts at preflop, when OP decided to call a 3bet to setmine with insufficient implied odds. Besides, why would you want to slowplay if you think there is a chance that villian has top pair? Just play it straightforward and keep betting for max value, rather than risk losing 1 street because you choose to slowplay when you actually have the goods.

Unless of course, you have a specific read that checking behind the flop against this villian will induce spew.
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