A decisive turn

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A decisive turn

Postby felixleong » Mon Sep 24, 2012 9:50 pm

PokerStars Hand #86650090147: Tournament #618821322, $2.28+$0.22 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XVIII (2500/5000) - 2012/09/24 21:26:24 CCT [2012/09/24 9:26:24 ET]
Table '618821322 10' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 2: neverbdown1 (91407 in chips)
Seat 3: pipi486 (62884 in chips) - down to 5 players, and I always try my best to go for 1st, if not top 3!
Seat 5: lucanito85 (11456 in chips)
Seat 7: Kaiserw (62485 in chips)
Seat 8: Budol-Budol (41768 in chips)
neverbdown1: posts the ante 500
pipi486: posts the ante 500
lucanito85: posts the ante 500
Kaiserw: posts the ante 500
Budol-Budol: posts the ante 500
lucanito85: posts small blind 2500
Kaiserw: posts big blind 5000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to pipi486 [Ad 5h] - decent hand on the button, with only 5 players remaining its always good to be extra aggressive
Budol-Budol: folds
neverbdown1: folds
pipi486: raises 7500 to 12500 - 2.5BB raise on the button, i like my position and stack size...I might fold if i get 3bet.. since I fear domination by hand such as AT to AK

lucanito85: folds
Kaiserw: calls 7500 - BB has a stack as deep as mine, we are on 2nd and 3rd position... looking at stack sizes itself.. we should fight less among each other and try to get rid of the shorter stacks, in that way we both gain EV
*** FLOP *** [6s 5d 8d] - kinda good for flop for me as I hit a pair, his flat call on the BB was conservative... looking more towards 2 high cards or some kinda decent connector or small pair
Kaiserw: checks - checks to raiser.. pretty standard
pipi486: checks - here i check too, trying to keep the pot small, I know that any bet here makes me committed, I would play safe in the turn comes a high/picture card as that's where I feel my opponent is more likely to be, that odds of him drawing out on me is slim, i just dun want to stack off with a small pair.
*** TURN *** [6s 5d 8d] [2h] - 2 looks like a safe turn card that shouldnt be in his range.
Kaiserw: bets 22500 - makes a quick and big bet... its over 2/3 of the pot... what the fuck does he has to make this bet???

small pair that hit a set? makes sense... he didnt get to check raise the flop and now rushes to get value on the turn.. but the bet size is too big, 1/2 pot looks more right
A6/A8? since i already hold an ace, the probability is low but possible
2 over cards like QJ-KJ-KT? he missed.. checked the flop, saw me checked..looking weak so he now makes a big bet to take it down! looks like a real possibility
flush draw going for a semi bluff - possible but very gusty play going in so deep, will give respect to such an aggressive player

if you wish to succeed in tournaments you will need to analyze the hands within half a min and come to the conclusion,
there's a greater possibility that I am ahead and I should make a play for it, lets do it!

pipi486: raises 27384 to 49884 and is all-in
Kaiserw: calls 26985 and is all-in
Uncalled bet (399) returned to pipi486
*** RIVER *** [6s 5d 8d 2h] [8c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Kaiserw: shows [9s Ts] (a pair of Eights) he made a gusty turn play with 2overs and an inside straight draw, he had good odds to call the final bet.
pipi486: shows [Ad 5h] (two pair, Eights and Fives)
pipi486 collected 128970 from pot - I think the turn card really helped me the most, I was so sure it didnt help him... would had been so difficult if it turned a T,J,Q,K... anything like 8,6,4,3,2 etc were good cards to turn which is why I liked my flop check.
If I made a prop bet on the flop and got check raised, I probably had to flop
if I made a committing bet (2/3 pot) on the flop I had to go all the way with a pair that I was not comfortable with.

Kaiserw finished the tournament in 5th place and received $26.67.
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 128970 | Rake 0
Board [6s 5d 8d 2h 8c]
Seat 2: neverbdown1 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: pipi486 (button) showed [Ad 5h] and won (128970) with two pair, Eights and Fives
Seat 5: lucanito85 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 7: Kaiserw (big blind) showed [9s Ts] and lost with a pair of Eights
Seat 8: Budol-Budol folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Won 3 sets of $2.50 180man sng within 2 days coming back to poker, gonna play more 180mans as I enjoy my long break away from the stock market ^_^
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Re: A decisive turn

Postby MJFX » Mon Sep 24, 2012 11:11 pm

Welcome back. Always a fan of ur hand analysis.
Preflop calling range spot on..
Im surprised he committed himself on e turn.
With hindsight he was gg to c-r flop.

Always better to be the one putting in the last bet.
Wondering what if he put him a smallish turn bet and ship the river.
Its harder for u to call right? ^_^

I think it might be better than his commited turn bet.
What do u think?
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Re: A decisive turn

Postby felixleong » Tue Sep 25, 2012 8:26 am

if he turn small bet then call turn, call again if small card drops
fold river if bad card drops

actually my check on the flop makes it hard to play, on other half of the times I go for 1/3 pot probe bet on the flop to see where I am, but often I have to fold to a solid check-raise.

by checking the flop, i like to keep the pot small with the ideal situation of checks on flop and turn and finally call/fold on the river.
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