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What should have been the correct ruling??

Postby brrryyy » Thu Mar 21, 2013 9:43 am

Last week i went over to resort world sentosa to hit the poker tables there.I got sitted and played.
I was dealt pocket sixes and raised in late position, the button called, sb and bb called as well. Flop came 85K rainbow, sb n bb checked i bet out, button calls, sb n bb folds. Turns comes the 6, i bet out again, button reraises, i go all in. Dealer then deals the river..and asks me to flip over my cards..i ask the dealer did he call my all in already? Dealer insists that i turn over my cards and thus i do..button sees my trips and mucks his cards and after a few seconds says "did anyone hear me say call?" He than says says the dealer made a mistake by dealing the river before he even called. The managment is called down..they come up with all type house rules which when asked for a documented copy they could not provide us with.
There were 5 managment staff trying to resolve the problem and not one could come out with a solution. Just showes how well versed they are with the rulings. After waiting 3 hours...one of the managers says its a split pot and managment has the final decision. I can opt to agree with him or i can opt to make a report with the singaporean gov(dono wats it called) and all the chips in play will be locked up by the casino until the gov comes out with a verdict.(which they said might take at least 2-3 months or more)

Final verdict-split pot

Wat should have been the correct ruling or wat do you guys think bout the decision?
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Re: What should have been the correct ruling??

Postby mal » Thu Mar 21, 2013 12:16 pm

split pot.. move on. bad beat..its like getting a lawyer to appeal against a $200 fine.. ended up paying $80,000 lawyer fees..
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Re: What should have been the correct ruling??

Postby ediotfromne » Thu Mar 21, 2013 12:38 pm

Pretty sure he's not entitled to a single cent once his cards hit the muck. Seems like you got screwed.
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Re: What should have been the correct ruling??

Postby tcs » Thu Mar 21, 2013 12:58 pm

1. Blame the inexperienced dealer.
2. You should have asked/ at least double confirm that dealer has asked him, he called.
3. Good lesson for everyone here.
4. I think this incident reminds me of our own fellow Singaporean Jacky Wang.

Link: http://www.pokerportal.asia/players-int ... g-incident

5. That's why I always make sure when I flip my cards, I always waited for my opponent to flip first. Just be more kiasu abit to play safe.
6. At leas you,re considered lucky, the pot did not go to him as you flipped your cards over.
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Re: What should have been the correct ruling??

Postby MJFX » Thu Mar 21, 2013 1:07 pm

Feel for u bro.
I try to put myself in your shoes.

1st, i am not sure of the house rules either but i would fight fiercely against it rather than accept it.

In tournament, there is this rule called accepted action.
When the dealer dealt the river and asked u to open the cards, by not protesting at this point, villain implicitly accepted that he has called the all in.
So it will go to showdown.
If he muck - pot awards to u including the "called" all in.
He muck after seeing you showdown - what this means? Obvious right.

Worst case scenario - u win what is already in the pot.
They can't re-deal the river and go back in time for him to call because he has already seen your cards + the fact that he has already mucked.

Did management explain why its a split pot???
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Re: What should have been the correct ruling??

Postby MJFX » Thu Mar 21, 2013 1:12 pm

Same thing happened to me in a tournament but i was the one who said i didnt call (long story) and saw the hand i couldnt beat.
Dealer wanted to bust me, but i called the TD over and lost only what was in the pot. Heng
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Re: What should have been the correct ruling??

Postby ikelos » Thu Mar 21, 2013 4:52 pm

You got short-changed. You exposed your cards without ensuring that your opponent had made a decision, so you're not entitled to any amount other than what is already in the pot, irrespective of what the dealer does or says.

Having said that, when your opponent mucks, he automatically surrenders his right to the pot. So it should all have been yours.
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Re: What should have been the correct ruling??

Postby WSOPTH » Thu Mar 21, 2013 10:47 pm

I was in that situation before.. any situation that the management cannot solve, they will go for the easiest way out.. and that is SPLIT POT.
and they will tell you if you not happy, simply go ahead and complain to CRA waiting 2-3mths. Resort World Singapore .. Uniquely SINGAPORE
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Re: What should have been the correct ruling??

Postby brrryyy » Fri Mar 22, 2013 10:20 pm

[quote="MJFX"]Feel for u bro.
I try to put myself in your shoes.

1st, i am not sure of the house rules either but i would fight fiercely against it rather than accept it.

In tournament, there is this rule called accepted action.
When the dealer dealt the river and asked u to open the cards, by not protesting at this point, villain implicitly accepted that he has called the all in.
So it will go to showdown.
If he muck - pot awards to u including the "called" all in.
He muck after seeing you showdown - what this means? Obvious right.

Worst case scenario - u win what is already in the pot.
They can't re-deal the river and go back in time for him to call because he has already seen your cards + the fact that he has already mucked.

Did management explain why its a split pot?

Nope all they said was the managment decision is final and its a split.pot. they dint even know eat to do in my opinion. And they actually had the guts to blame it on their dealer saying he wad inexperienced. Genting resorts a multi billion corporation hiring inexperienced dealers??
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Re: What should have been the correct ruling??

Postby brrryyy » Fri Mar 22, 2013 10:21 pm

ikelos wrote:You got short-changed. You exposed your cards without ensuring that your opponent had made a decision, so you're not entitled to any amount other than what is already in the pot, irrespective of what the dealer does or says.

Having said that, when your opponent mucks, he automatically surrenders his right to the pot. So it should all have been yours.


Exactly his hand shld be dead once he mucks his card regardless of wat decision
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Re: What should have been the correct ruling??

Postby brokensword » Tue May 07, 2013 7:16 pm

Rulings in RWS are the worst I've seen (I've played in Vegas and Sydney).

The dealers are not very experienced: some admit they are trained for one week, another say two weeks. I played there last week, and there's a hand involving three players similar to what happened to yours -- with the dealer prematurely dealing the turn then the river.

Cutting short the story, the supervisor gave a ruling.

Then few hours later, on another table, similar thing happened and this time, a new supervisor is on shift: completely different ruling.

I mean, come on.

I don't blame the dealers but the management for giving us crappy dealers. The bottom line: the source of most controversies are due to dealer's mistakes.

I feel for you bro. I don't know what house ruling they are invoking but he mucked his hand, you should at least get the money in the middle.
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