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Value Bet and Had to Fold This

Postby asiangravy » Sun Sep 14, 2008 6:59 pm

Full Tilt Poker Game #8067108660: $110 + $9 Sit & Go (Turbo) (61359862), Table 1 - 30/60 - No Limit Hold'em - 5:01:37 ET - 2008/09/14
Seat 1: HERO (1,240)
Seat 2: CrazyThief1 (2,475)
Seat 3: Edouard31 (1,655)
Seat 4: perscription (1,395)
Seat 5: tableof00001 (930)
Seat 6: dega1212 (1,305)
HERO posts the small blind of 30
CrazyThief1 posts the big blind of 60
The button is in seat #6
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to HERO [Td 9d]
Edouard31 folds
perscription folds
tableof00001 folds
dega1212 calls 60
HERO calls 30
CrazyThief1 checks
*** FLOP *** [4c 9c 8h]
HERO bets 120
CrazyThief1 folds
dega1212 calls 120
*** TURN *** [4c 9c 8h] [Ah]
HERO checks
dega1212 checks
*** RIVER *** [4c 9c 8h Ah] [9s]
HERO bets 240
dega1212 raises to 1,125, and is all in
HERO has 15 seconds left to act
HERO has requested TIME
HERO folds
Uncalled bet of 885 returned to dega1212
dega1212 mucks
dega1212 wins the pot (900)
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 900 | Rake 0
Board: [4c 9c 8h Ah 9s]
Seat 1: HERO (small blind) folded on the River
Seat 2: CrazyThief1 (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 3: Edouard31 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 4: perscription didn't bet (folded)
Seat 5: tableof00001 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 6: dega1212 (button) collected (900), muckedFull Tilt Poker Game #8067108660: $110 + $9 Sit & Go (Turbo) (61359862), Table 1 - 30/60 - No Limit Hold'em - 5:01:37 ET - 2008/09/14
Seat 1: HERO (1,240)
Seat 2: CrazyThief1 (2,475)
Seat 3: Edouard31 (1,655)
Seat 4: perscription (1,395)
Seat 5: tableof00001 (930)
Seat 6: dega1212 (1,305)
HERO posts the small blind of 30
CrazyThief1 posts the big blind of 60
The button is in seat #6
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to HERO [Td 9d]
Edouard31 folds
perscription folds
tableof00001 folds
dega1212 calls 60
HERO calls 30
CrazyThief1 checks
*** FLOP *** [4c 9c 8h]
HERO bets 120
CrazyThief1 folds
dega1212 calls 120
*** TURN *** [4c 9c 8h] [Ah]
HERO checks
dega1212 checks
*** RIVER *** [4c 9c 8h Ah] [9s]
HERO bets 240
dega1212 raises to 1,125, and is all in
HERO has 15 seconds left to act
HERO has requested TIME
HERO folds
Uncalled bet of 885 returned to dega1212
dega1212 mucks
dega1212 wins the pot (900)
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 900 | Rake 0
Board: [4c 9c 8h Ah 9s]
Seat 1: HERO (small blind) folded on the River
Seat 2: CrazyThief1 (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 3: Edouard31 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 4: perscription didn't bet (folded)
Seat 5: tableof00001 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 6: dega1212 (button) collected (900), mucked
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Re: Value Bet and Had to Fold This

Postby KingKongMike » Sun Sep 14, 2008 7:11 pm

what can he have? A9 or 88? how you analyse it, care to share a bit? thank you.
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Re: Value Bet and Had to Fold This

Postby asiangravy » Sun Sep 14, 2008 11:21 pm

tight regulars don't reraise on the river with air, if they had marginal holding they would have just simply flat called. In SNGs every chip is precious so a lot of thinking has to go into thinking about the equity with your chip stack. Its not like a cash game where you can simply think like, "let's just call and see what he has" If you're gonna be doing that in SNGs and MTTs then you're gonna be spewing a lot of chips
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Re: Value Bet and Had to Fold This

Postby KingKongMike » Mon Sep 15, 2008 1:07 am

Its so hard to lay down a trips, maybe im far away from your level and with that buy-in, thats the diff between shark(you) and donk(me), LOL!!! Im only at the $10 buy-in and struggling!

You hav another topic about being your Protege, can i be the one? haha. Whats the min requirement?
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Re: Value Bet and Had to Fold This

Postby newbie » Mon Sep 15, 2008 12:24 pm

this is a tough fold..
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Re: Value Bet and Had to Fold This

Postby asiangravy » Mon Sep 15, 2008 5:54 pm

KingKongMike wrote:Its so hard to lay down a trips, maybe im far away from your level and with that buy-in, thats the diff between shark(you) and donk(me), LOL!!! Im only at the $10 buy-in and struggling!

You hav another topic about being your Protege, can i be the one? haha. Whats the min requirement?


Well just follow the steps given and sent the email my friend and we'll see
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Re: Value Bet and Had to Fold This

Postby Belousov » Tue Sep 16, 2008 10:02 am

The villain played this really well, and I think you lost the minimum on this hand. Although I don't play SNGs at this level I am just curious about what rang of hands you put him on here. I guess any nine has to be a huge part of his range. How often is he floating this flop with A high? I'm kind of confused about the turn play. I think a good player could push on you with air ( a busted draw, possibly JT) knowing you have to lay down anything short of a boat. I would never try that at my stakes though :p
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Re: Value Bet and Had to Fold This

Postby newbie » Tue Sep 16, 2008 1:54 pm

his floating range here should be pretty narrow, no? there's a lot of draws out there and it's not a good board to float. slowplaying is kind of dangerous, too, i think with multiple draws, esp on the turn. i agree with belousov, 'I think a good player could push on you with air (a busted flush draw/straight draw) knowing you have to lay down anything short of a boat.'
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Re: Value Bet and Had to Fold This

Postby asiangravy » Tue Sep 16, 2008 8:25 pm

If he was floating he would have been floating on the flop with a raise with straight or flush draws. Given that i had bet out on the flop and check on the turn when the ace drop and fired again on the river when the 9 dropped. It was pretty apparent to him that I obviously had a 9 in my hand and was value betting. Given the fact that he knew of this fact and given the fact that he dared to raise me on the river given that knowledge which he knew of me. It was obvious that he has me beat. Barring little possibility that he he put me on an ace rag kind of hand and he was value raising with 92,93,95,96,97 which my T9 would have beaten. Given that he called on the button and a normal reg at these stakes, we would eliminate the possibility of 94, but A9s, 98s, 88, 44, would have been the likely hands. I doubt he would have limped with AA on the button as it was folded to him and he usually would have raised pre-flop. Even given the fact that he limped with AA, he would have raised my bet on the flop with so many draws possible with his AA if he indeed had that hand. I think there's a lot of meta game thinking going on in the higher stakes SNGs and rely simply on tight hand ranges and the usual style wouldn't get one very far against these kind of opponents. Hope the above explaination helped you guys.
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Re: Value Bet and Had to Fold This

Postby Nicefingers » Tue Sep 16, 2008 10:10 pm

i would dare say the villain is holding set of 4s on the flop 99% of the time. call call, shove. typical slowed play nuts hand.
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Re: Value Bet and Had to Fold This

Postby vaevictis » Tue Sep 16, 2008 11:26 pm

In cash I could bluff raise the river alot. I'm not sure about SNG style, but i think a very strong player can do such things.

A good hand reader (i presume villian is a reg) can simply know by the river that you can't have a strong hand enough to play for all chips in the beginning of the tourney. How strong can your range be when you checked the turn. (unless you balance your range extremely well by checking with the nuts on the turn when first to act - which is crazily rare, when you have sets, AK, AA, even TJ you would have bet there).

Now back to villian, he knows you have a weak hand that is not keen to build a big pot OOP, he knows he can rep a whole wide range of hands by calling your flop bet. River helps strengthen a part of his range of hands he has. + he knows you can read hands good enough + he knows you can't stand a showdown.


I think calling ain't really disastrously wrong with your trips.
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Re: Value Bet and Had to Fold This

Postby asiangravy » Wed Sep 17, 2008 12:12 am

In cash maybe long time its +EV to be calling the reraise but not in SNGs cause every chip saved is important for the next hand
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