Govt moves to curb remote gambling in Singapore

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Re: Govt moves to curb remote gambling in Singapore

Postby AMI NO SAN » Sun Oct 12, 2014 4:11 pm

Because full time poker professionals don't pay their taxes, so why should we bother with them?

YES this part i agree !
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Re: Govt moves to curb remote gambling in Singapore

Postby MJFX » Sun Oct 12, 2014 8:40 pm

there are not many professional poker players to start with. its the recreational players that they are targeting.

anyway, there are so many news articles emphasising on online poker, which is strange and frustrating to read.. this when sports betting is obviously a much bigger market. and the statistics on increasing number of people who have online gambling problem and seek help. how many of these are poker related.. very little imo. sometimes poker actually draw people away from sports betting.

but since govt wants to ban online gambling, online sports betting/ online casinos primarily, they can't draw a line and say poker is not one of them.. this will inevitably make poker sites legitimate by way of exclusion from the bill. so they have no choice but to lump them together, because administratively its difficult to differentiate and regulate.. also not worth the efforts as poker pool is so small.

my bet is on Singapore pools to expand their online gambling reach.. and offer more betting selection while offer responsible gambling support to singaporeans and their families. don't think they will offer poker.. this mind sports will be killed.. pokerkaki will inevitably become history or former legendary site. hope I'm wrong.
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Re: Govt moves to curb remote gambling in Singapore

Postby NOTNobody » Sun Oct 12, 2014 11:19 pm

Of the different vices, smoking and drinking alcohol have a direct impact on your health. Visiting prostitutes have an immediate impact if you're attached or married. Gambling only have an impact if you're borrowing tonnes of money to gamble when you're the sole breadwinner.

The thing about Singapore Pool is that they're offering some of the worst odds in their games. Take the recent change to Toto, I am not buying into their nonsense of "that's what the public wants ; a higher prize pool, so we're giving them that".

If they want to promote responsible gambling, we need to also push for responsible marketing/advertising. Like the recent change to Toto, it's obvious the additional 4 numbers is going to make it a lot harder to strike, the cost of buying 1 entry cost $1 now instead of 50 cent, so the guaranteed 1 million up top isn't an increase of prize, but a vile advertising that downplays the increased cost by dangling a carrot of 1 million and negligible $10 3D prizes (this promotes addictive behavior because of the thrill in striking something) in front of unsuspecting punters. There's no real increase in prize pool, merely a shift in prize distribution. The rakes in Singapore Pools is still exorbitantly high enough that winners don't have to be taxed.

Between online poker rooms and Singapore Pools, I would totally choose to be laying my bets on online poker rooms because I know exactly what the rakes are. For Singapore Pools, you never really know how much goes into the prize pool and how much is taken as rakes.

So if Singapore Pools were to offer Poker games, I won't even play it. It's not a matter of defiance, it's purely a bad investment through and through. You will never beat the rakes collected by Singapore Pools no matter how good of a pro you are. Going by the concept of the ban, they're not going to give any sorts of rakeback because that's promoting addictive behavior so they are "justified" in imposing huge rakes/fees/taxes for providing exclusive service.
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Re: Govt moves to curb remote gambling in Singapore

Postby zencro » Mon Oct 13, 2014 9:04 am

Does anyone with some legal knowledge know roughly the timeline on when the bill will become law? 6-12 months?
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Re: Govt moves to curb remote gambling in Singapore

Postby nutupshutup » Tue Oct 14, 2014 1:55 am

within 1-2 months

heard from friends with bet365 accounts that they received emails informing them to withdraw funds before the 15th. So if big operators like that have already taken pre-emptive steps to close their services here, it could be illegal here as soon as November even.
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Re: Govt moves to curb remote gambling in Singapore

Postby felixleong » Wed Oct 15, 2014 9:08 am

yup, I think by year end should see the effects already
like I previously said, if you are unsure can always be safe and cash out first
when the dust settle liao then u decide again

good luck and cheers
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Re: Govt moves to curb remote gambling in Singapore

Postby philivey » Wed Oct 15, 2014 9:12 am

Ask yourself, is this a topic of making Poker an exemption a topic that the govt would listen? or even your local Mps would listen ? Wake up people. you are living Singapore. With our " world class " education system, you study finish still want to make Poker your full time job ? You dare to say, the ministers dont dare to listen :lol:

The most Mps would argue in parliament the new bill would affect social games, which they did, because most likely their grandchildren or their children or they themselves got play social games.
So to make everyone with a seat in parliament happy, dear minister say " oh social games are not part of this bill " . And of course, our sg pools, turf club and casino they cannot ban. And im sure you guys know why. dear minister give a very very nice reason " Because we dont want to drive such illegal activities underground "


Like what most kakis said here, because poker players dont pay tax and online poker they cant tax, so what if you are a Singaporean who play poker full time and won many WCOOP bracelets online ? In their records you dont contribute to the country GDP and you are just a useless bum to the nation , so the govt message is clear . Singapore is no home for you to do anything that dont contribute to the country, if you want to do, go other country and do. so no matter what we do, the govt wont listen, and would only raise more awareness that poker is something they must ban and the earlier, the better :(
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Operators move to cut links with Singapore-registered custom

Postby DM101 » Wed Oct 15, 2014 12:32 pm

An article was published today.

PS had something to say. Read on..............

TODAY reports: Operators move to cut links with Singapore-registered customers after Parliament passes the Remote Gambling Act.



SINGAPORE: Barely a week after the proposed law to ban remote gambling was passed, several online gaming operators have moved to sever links with their Singapore-registered customers.

Although the new law will only take effect next year, at least two operators have informed users here their accounts will be shut down this week, while two other operators have stopped registering new accounts from Singapore.

Bet365 has told its Singapore customers that their accounts will be closed on Wednesday (Oct 15) and has asked that funds be withdrawn from the accounts.

“We regret to inform you that we are no longer able to provide services to accounts registered in your country,” its notice to users stated.

pokerkaki Bet will block access to its website from Singapore starting on Friday and has asked its customers here to close their accounts as soon as possible. “Due to recent regulatory developments, we will no longer offer our products and services in Singapore,” a pop-up notice on its website stated.

Online gambling operators that are not accepting new account holders from Singapore include 888 and SBOBET. Singapore is no longer in the drop-down list of countries on SBOBET’s sign-up page, while 888 does not allow Singapore gamers to create an account, displaying the message “your country no longer allows its residents to play our games online”.

“GOOD BUSINESS RISK MANAGEMENT”

The Remote Gambling Act, which was passed in Parliament last Tuesday, criminalises the entire spectrum of remote gambling. Parties outside Singapore – many major operators are registered in places such as Gibraltar, the Isle of Man and Cagayan Special Economic Zone – that provide remote gambling services to people here face fines of S$20,000 to S$500,000 and up to seven years in jail. Internet Service Providers may also be issued orders to block access to various sites by the authorities.

However, operators may apply for exemption, provided they are Singapore-based and not-for-profit.

The premature move by online gaming operators did not surprise lawyer Matt Pollins of international technology, telecoms and media law firm Olswang Asia.

Most reputable international gambling operators have a clear policy not to take bets from countries where it is illegal to make or accept bets, he said. Many operators would also prefer not to invest time and resources to build relationships with users for whom they would need to cease operations within months, said Mr Pollins.

“It is an administrative and compliance issue that they would prefer to deal with sooner rather than later.”

Mr Lau Kok Keng, head of intellectual property, sports and gaming at law firm Rajah & Tann, called the step a “good business risk management” on the operators’ part. Online gaming operators that operate in Singapore or have a presence and customer base here now realise that their time is up, he added.

WIDESPREAD IMPLICATIONS

Other major operators are monitoring the developments for now. Bookmaker William Hill told TODAY it would cease all services to Singapore residents once the new law takes effect, while poker room PokerStars said there are no plans to make any immediate changes to its service as it tracks local developments. It will inform players of changes that will affect them directly and the players’ funds will be made accessible for withdrawal, the operator added.

Mr William Mummery, executive director of Celton Manx, which operates SBOBET, told TODAY that his company would take all the steps necessary to comply with the new law when its implementation date is known, despite the view that the lawmakers may not have fully considered its widespread implications and the “far-reaching effects it may have on legitimate businesses and individuals”.

Lawyers said the law may also affect operators that do not deliberately target Singapore users and businesses that provide core and critical services to remote gambling operators. Overseas services that do not “geo-block” Singapore might need to take extra steps to comply with the new law, for example, to avoid inadvertently committing a crime, said Mr Pollins.

Many software developers who license gaming software and provide maintenance and support services to remote gambling operators have a physical business presence in Singapore, said Mr Lau.

“Their case is less clear-cut and they will need to consider if they, too, may run afoul of the Act.”

Source: CNA
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Re: Govt moves to curb remote gambling in Singapore

Postby MJFX » Wed Oct 15, 2014 11:40 pm

Q.What must I do to change the registered country in my PokerStars account?
A.To change the country registered in your PokerStars account, we kindly ask you to upload via the PokerStars Client a copy of your government issued ID and a valid proof of address showing your name and address in the new country of residence.

To upload your documents please follow the instructions below:
Log into your account via the PokerStars Client.
Navigate to ‘Help’ > ‘Contact Support / Upload Documents’.
In the pop-up screen that will appear select ‘Security’ and the ‘Documents’ sub-category
Browse to files on your computer and upload them directly to us.
Please ensure you specify ‘Change of Country’ in the Subject line, and that you include the reasons for your request in the body of the message.
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Re: Govt moves to curb remote gambling in Singapore

Postby philivey » Thu Oct 16, 2014 12:35 pm

MJFX wrote:Q.What must I do to change the registered country in my PokerStars account?
A.To change the country registered in your PokerStars account, we kindly ask you to upload via the PokerStars Client a copy of your government issued ID and a valid proof of address showing your name and address in the new country of residence.

To upload your documents please follow the instructions below:
Log into your account via the PokerStars Client.
Navigate to ‘Help’ > ‘Contact Support / Upload Documents’.
In the pop-up screen that will appear select ‘Security’ and the ‘Documents’ sub-category
Browse to files on your computer and upload them directly to us.
Please ensure you specify ‘Change of Country’ in the Subject line, and that you include the reasons for your request in the body of the message.


Thanks for the information MJFX
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Re: Govt moves to curb remote gambling in Singapore

Postby meowfish » Sun Oct 19, 2014 9:43 am

how come i see few singaporeans still playing in pokerstars? can play meh? most of them are in nl5, nl10..
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Re: Govt moves to curb remote gambling in Singapore

Postby Frudo » Sun Oct 19, 2014 10:40 am

They trying to donk away their remaining funds mah. Coz no one want to buy funds now mah
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Re: Govt moves to curb remote gambling in Singapore

Postby Guojing » Sun Oct 19, 2014 1:06 pm

Good idea, I think before this year ends, time for us to go lol donkaments!
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Re: Govt moves to curb remote gambling in Singapore

Postby molaboy » Wed Oct 22, 2014 10:33 pm

MJFX,
so if im able to change my country of residence, even im still in SG, I can still play?
I was thinking they will ban SG IP or you were assuming we will use VPN?
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