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Crack AA BIG TIME...

Postby support » Sun May 10, 2009 10:21 pm

This is why u never EVER should limp AA... :lol:

PokerStars Game #28032392381: Hold'em No Limit ($0.05/$0.10) - 2009/05/10 10:10:08 ET
Table 'Orsilocus' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
Seat 1: geraldxx ($8.15 in chips)
Seat 2: braindamage8 ($1.85 in chips)
Seat 3: gliam ($10 in chips)
Seat 4: mrpenguin85 ($15.40 in chips)
Seat 5: tucolina ($6.90 in chips)
Seat 6: Tuliocg ($3.30 in chips)
Seat 7: damnet ($13.60 in chips)
Seat 8: kpyTuk ($6.35 in chips)
Seat 9: H-TClic ($4.45 in chips)
geraldxx: posts small blind $0.05
braindamage8: posts big blind $0.10
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to geraldxx [6c 3c]
gliam: folds
mrpenguin85: folds
tucolina: calls $0.10 <--- At the point i have no idea he limped with AA..
Tuliocg: folds
damnet: folds
kpyTuk: folds
H-TClic: folds
geraldxx: calls $0.05 <--- SO CHEAP CALL LA!
braindamage8: checks
*** FLOP *** [2h 2c Jc]
geraldxx: bets $0.20 <--- VALUE BET (Implied odds r good)
braindamage8: folds
tucolina: calls $0.20 <---- STILL DOESN'T WANNA RAISE...
*** TURN *** [2h 2c Jc] [4c]
geraldxx: bets $0.30 <--- FLUSHED YAY!!!
tucolina: calls $0.30 <--- SMOOTH CALL AGAIN?!
*** RIVER *** [2h 2c Jc 4c] [5c] <--- At first i see.. sien. cripple my cards then suddenly realise... JACKPOT STRAIGHT FLUSH!
geraldxx: bets $1.20 <--- dunno wtf the guy has... thinking is some High card and he hit flush I put Pot-Size bet..
tucolina: raises $1.20 to $2.40 <--- Villian raises... ok.. so prob nut A-Flush for him..
geraldxx: raises $5.15 to $7.55 and is all-in <---- Time to reel him in man...
tucolina: calls $3.90 and is all-in
Uncalled bet ($1.25) returned to geraldxx
*** SHOW DOWN ***
geraldxx: shows [6c 3c] (a straight flush, Deuce to Six)
tucolina: mucks hand
geraldxx collected $13.25 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $13.90 | Rake $0.65
Board [2h 2c Jc 4c 5c]
Seat 1: geraldxx (small blind) showed [6c 3c] and won ($13.25) with a straight flush, Deuce to Six
Seat 2: braindamage8 (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 3: gliam folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: mrpenguin85 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: tucolina mucked [As Ac]
Seat 6: Tuliocg folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: damnet folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: kpyTuk folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: H-TClic (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
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Re: Crack AA BIG TIME...

Postby bhoen » Mon Sep 28, 2009 9:27 pm

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Re: Crack AA BIG TIME...

Postby MJFX » Tue Sep 29, 2009 12:09 am

i like your commentaries. haha.

He must be thinking [5c] completes his "nut" flush.

You should go and play caribbean stud poker, maybe can hit jackpot. :D
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Re: Crack AA BIG TIME...

Postby DonkeyKong » Tue Sep 29, 2009 8:12 pm

Interesting play and nice river. I was thinking maybe we can see the play from his perspective to try to understand his action. So I'll play the devil's advocate :twisted:

PokerStars Game #28032392381: Hold'em No Limit ($0.05/$0.10) - 2009/05/10 10:10:08 ET
Table 'Orsilocus' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
Seat 1: geraldxx ($8.15 in chips)
Seat 6: Tuliocg ($3.30 in chips)
geraldxx: posts small blind $0.05
Dealt to geraldxx [6c 3c]
gliam: folds
mrpenguin85: folds
tucolina: calls $0.10 <---can't raise AA every time or will be too predictable. Will raise 80% and call 20%
geraldxx: calls $0.05
braindamage8: checks
*** FLOP *** [2h 2c Jc]
geraldxx: bets $0.20
braindamage8: folds
tucolina: calls $0.20 <----Good Flop. Not too dangerous. So how to milk the most out of him? Since he limps in on small blind and bets on the flop, most likely does not have too strong a hand. If he is lucky, maybe he has Ace-2, 23s and 24s. Otherwise, a small pairish hands like 33 to TT. Maybe he hit top pair with JQos, JKos, JT or J9.
At the same time he could be semi bluffing, and the only draw out there is a club-flush draw, so there can be quite a few small club-flush drawing hands (at least 30 hands) of that. Occasionally he may be bluffing with air, but for simplicity sake i assume he is a value bettor.

Hands that beat me: 20 hands
Ace-2 = 4 hands
23 = 8 hands
24 = 8 hands


Hands that I win: 119 hands
33 -TT = 48 hands
JQos - 9 hands
JKos - 9 hands
JT - 12 hands
J9 - 12 hands
Flush draws – about 30 hands

Since this range is roughly about 1:6 equity, so I will call as the pot odd is 5:2. As I have position, we can see how villian plays his hand on the turn. Additionally, I have the ace club, which means he does not have the aceflush even if he hits a flush.

*** TURN *** [2h 2c Jc] [4c]
geraldxx: bets $0.30
tucolina: calls $0.30 <--- bad card. He could have hit a fullhouse, but most likely worse case scenario is that he may have made his flush. However, if I made my flush this will be a very big pot. As there are still 7 clubs in the deck of 45, the odds is 38:7 or 5.4:1. With $1 in the pot, and so much money behind, the implied odds of hitting the aceflush made this $0.30 a good call.
!
*** RIVER *** [2h 2c Jc 4c [5c]
geraldxx: bets $1.20
tucolina: raises $1.20 to $2.40 <--- Villian seems to have a good hand. Assuming he will not bet his trips or 2 pair on such a dangerous board, I can beat about 30 hands of smaller flush.

As for hands that beat me, only quads, fullhouses and straight flush can beat my aceflush. As he did not raise preflop, jj is not likely. J2,J4 and J5 are unlikely hands as most good players will fold them preflop.
So likely fullhouse could be 44, 42, 55 and 52 (less likely)

So total hands that beats me: 20 hands

22 1 hand
44 3 hands
42 6 hands
55 3 hands
52 6 hands
3c6c 1 hand

With 20 hands that beat me and 30 hands that have smaller flushes, I have 60% equity. So I ‘m going to get as much money in the pot as I can.

geraldxx: raises $5.15 to $7.55 and is all-in <---- Time to reel him in man...
tucolina: calls $3.90 and is all-in
Uncalled bet ($1.25) returned to geraldxx
*** SHOW DOWN ***
geraldxx: shows [6c 3c] (a straight flush, Deuce to Six)
tucolina: mucks hand
geraldxx collected $13.25 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $13.90 | Rake $0.65
Board [2h 2c Jc 4c 5c]
Seat 1: geraldxx (small blind) showed [6c 3c] and won ($13.25) with a straight flush, Deuce to Six
Seat 2: braindamage8 (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 3: gliam folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: mrpenguin85 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: tucolina mucked [As Ac]
Seat 6: Tuliocg folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: damnet folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: kpyTuk folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: H-TClic (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
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Re: Crack AA BIG TIME...

Postby xcaliblur » Fri Jan 22, 2010 9:23 pm

Im not sure Id even go taht far with Aces that hand..I definitely will not raise at all at the river- against a paired board an opponent might have a fullhouse.
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Re: Crack AA BIG TIME...

Postby messageforearth » Sun Apr 04, 2010 9:01 pm

haha nice devils advocate
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Re: Crack AA BIG TIME...

Postby support » Mon Apr 05, 2010 7:50 pm

nice analysis :)
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Re: Crack AA BIG TIME...

Postby Sleepy Hippo » Mon Jul 19, 2010 6:20 pm

lol. people like you are the reason why my cat's so fat..
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Re: Crack AA BIG TIME...

Postby iastate » Tue May 03, 2011 11:11 pm

Playing Aces against the small and big blinds is always a bad idea because you never know what they might have. I am not sure why tucolina slowplayed his Aces this way, but the reraise at the river was definitely bad play.
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Re: Crack AA BIG TIME...

Postby eleester » Tue May 03, 2011 11:38 pm

He is in early position. He prob limp in to represent a weak hand and hope that someone will raise so that he can 3 bet with his aces. The problem is it didn't go well for him as nobody raised. He should have raised post flop to check the strength of his opponent. Too bad he didn't. At the turn, maybe he was trying to improve to a flush. River he hit his nut flush, that's why he reraised. If not why would you go all in on a board of 4 clubs with a non-club card? To bluff? Unlikely. Too bad for him, there was a straight flush.

That's why sometimes having bullets is really hard to play. Do you raise and and hope someone call? Or do you limp and hope someone raise. It really depends on luck sometimes. AA is only the best hand pre-flop, so playing post flop is still another matter.

As one of my poker kakis always say, you are never drawing dead pre-flop. So AA will always get cracked sometimes...
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Re: Crack AA BIG TIME...

Postby open&close » Mon Nov 28, 2011 12:11 am

sometimes AA also lose hais..
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Re: Crack AA BIG TIME...

Postby ronshaks » Mon Jan 23, 2012 1:41 am

aiyo... just yesterday with AQ i shoved that bugger... he had AA... akaka... flop and turn kena QQ wor.... so best solution, just shoved it... :) but then again hor.. I KK shoved that idiot postflop.. he got 33 but kena another 3 on the turn oso... os i think hor, best thing is just to shove preflop... at least get those idiots with nothing much out of the way first lor. dunno how many times i kena... some idiot with suited high and low cards... i didn't shove hard enuf.. turns out at turn or river kena chiak by their flush. sometime don't shove them till kingdom come oso cannot. nowadays those ferkers will call with anything one...
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