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Getting shoved at with AA pre. God-sent chips.

Postby Nicefingers » Wed May 13, 2009 4:03 am

PokerStars Game #28118893660: Tournament #162033704, $8.00+$0.80 Hold'em No Limit - Level XXII (4000/8000) - 2009/05/12 16:01:23 ET
Table '162033704 72' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: bad.seedz (236771 in chips)
Seat 2: manfred dahm (95644 in chips)
Seat 3: Borisdrago (381777 in chips)
Seat 5: dev209 (492547 in chips)
Seat 6: magicrags (204028 in chips)
Seat 7: postmand (681996 in chips)
Seat 8: turnloose (211878 in chips)
Seat 9: Nicefingers (231293 in chips)
bad.seedz: posts the ante 800
manfred dahm: posts the ante 800
Borisdrago: posts the ante 800
dev209: posts the ante 800
magicrags: posts the ante 800
postmand: posts the ante 800
turnloose: posts the ante 800
Nicefingers: posts the ante 800
dev209: posts small blind 4000
magicrags: posts big blind 8000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Nicefingers [Ad Ah]
postmand: raises 213323 to 221323
turnloose: folds
Nicefingers: raises 9170 to 230493 and is all-in
bad.seedz: folds
manfred dahm: folds
Borisdrago: folds
dev209: folds
magicrags: folds
postmand: calls 9170
*** FLOP *** [Th 2h 3d]
*** TURN *** [Th 2h 3d] [Ac]
*** RIVER *** [Th 2h 3d Ac] [3c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
postmand: shows [Jc Kc] (a pair of Threes)
Nicefingers: shows [Ad Ah] (a full house, Aces full of Threes)
Nicefingers collected 479386 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 479386 | Rake 0
Board [Th 2h 3d Ac 3c]
Seat 1: bad.seedz folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: manfred dahm folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: Borisdrago (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: dev209 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: magicrags (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 7: postmand showed [Jc Kc] and lost with a pair of Threes
Seat 8: turnloose folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: Nicefingers showed [Ad Ah] and won (479386) with a full house, Aces full of Threes
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Re: Nearly folded AA preflop. God-sent chips.

Postby retsel » Wed May 13, 2009 9:11 am

nearly fold AA prefold??
may i know what is the ideal cards to start off a hand?
sorry i am a noob on poker, trying to learn something from there.. 1st time encounter prefold nearly fold AA.. this is very interesting..
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Re: Nearly folded AA preflop. God-sent chips.

Postby support » Wed May 13, 2009 11:29 am

retsel wrote:nearly fold AA prefold??
may i know what is the ideal cards to start off a hand?
sorry i am a noob on poker, trying to learn something from there.. 1st time encounter prefold nearly fold AA.. this is very interesting..


This is a really good example for showing table awareness!

Reason why Nicefingers almost folded (I don't think he'll fold anyway).
[To Nicefingers: please correct me if i'm wrong, I'm speaking as a average online player view]

Disadvantages
======================
1)The villian (postmand) is the current chip leader.
2) Villian raises to almost the Hero's entire stack (Nicefingers) and practically raises above the stacks 6 of the players in the game.
3) A super agressive raise from early position usually means strong cards (read AA/KK/QQ).
4) Hero is DEEP into the game ---> $8.00+$0.80 Hold'em No Limit - Level XXII (4000/8000), not sure if he ITM already or not but assumed he did
5) AA doesn't gurantee the win... it merely gives a 75% chance over any other pair combo, higher chances for crappier hands and cripple the villian cards if he has a Ax.
6) If Hero loses this game he's busted out, but if the villian loses he lost 1/3 his stack.
7) There's still players behind him who havn't acted.
8) Hero has at least 25BB worth of chips... which means he not rushed to act.
9) Freak accidents do happen!

*Odds calculator here : http://www.pokerkaki.com/calc/

Advantages
============
1) Villian is chip leader... thus might be stealing chips and bullying pple. But large raise seems too much at this stage for a bluff on a 9man table.
2) Hero has position over villian (but an all-in here means that position is negated).
3) Hero has to all-in, thus negating position of the players behind him.
4) If Hero all-in right now... he's at a advantage over ALL players who calls after him (being AA).
5) Assumed that he ITMed this his chance of doubling up or losing totally but he has 75% chance of making it big.


Considerations
=============
1) Is the villian a loose player or a tight player?
2) Has he been stealing pots?
3) Is he a donk (looking at this move i assume he is...)
4) Have the Hero ITM (in the Money), if he is... it makes things easier.
5) How many BB does the Hero have... is he urgently in need to push his stack in to survive?
6) Is the Hero consistently playing this tournament (aka regular) for a while that it doesn't matter if he wins or lose?


Actual Odds
===========
[Ah] [Ad] vs [Kc] [Jc]
81% vs 18%

Possible results :
81% chance he double up :)
18% chance he post this under bad beat after playing over 4hrs in the competition and busted out with AA.
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Re: Nearly folded AA preflop. God-sent chips.

Postby Nicefingers » Wed May 13, 2009 1:23 pm

errrr........ actually i said nearly folded AA preflop is just being sarcastic. Because i'm shocked he bet into me and its my stack sizes when i have the best hand in hold em. LOL sorry to make u explain so much support =/
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Re: Nearly folded AA preflop. God-sent chips.

Postby support » Wed May 13, 2009 1:31 pm

Nicefingers wrote:errrr........ actually i said nearly folded AA preflop is just being sarcastic. Because i'm shocked he bet into me and its my stack sizes when i have the best hand in hold em. LOL sorry to make u explain so much support =/


No problem... but it's really a good example to show table awareness since AA is brainless to the typical player.
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Re: Nearly folded AA preflop. God-sent chips.

Postby molaboy » Thu May 14, 2009 2:43 am

Nicefingers wrote:errrr........ actually i said nearly folded AA preflop is just being sarcastic. Because i'm shocked he bet into me and its my stack sizes when i have the best hand in hold em. LOL sorry to make u explain so much support =/



after reading this i felt u just wanna boast your AA big pot win, which we normally do in this situation... it would be a different story if you had KK.

i was kinda amaze on your move after supports explanation. :?
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Re: Nearly folded AA preflop. God-sent chips.

Postby Nicefingers » Thu May 14, 2009 5:13 am

If you think so then i think u are quite narrow-minded. The reason i posted this is because i just wanna show my incredible luck at being shoved at when i have aces. I think u need to chill.

I'm just being sarcastic about the topic title and that's what i meant. His explanation was very valid for satellites and i don't understand what you mean by 'my move' after his explanation.
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Re: Nearly folded AA preflop. God-sent chips.

Postby molaboy » Thu May 14, 2009 6:55 am

actually, i was being open-minded. *chilling* :)

anyway, no point arguing... nh.
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Re: Nearly folded AA preflop. God-sent chips.

Postby support » Thu May 14, 2009 11:04 am

AA isn't really a good hand when there's 3-4 pple in the pot (and they'll all-in)...

That's a pretty good chance of getting it cracked... Mathematically the more players in the pot the higher the chance (however slim it might be).


What would be a damn good position is AA at the BB... and only 1 guy shove to u... That's a super easy situation to call.
It might sound stupid but if there's 3-4 pple in the pot... and they have Ax (suit), KQ/KJ (suited or not), (Any Pair)
your looking at 3-4 pple having chances to crack ur AA by luck.

Simple probabilty suggests instead of your 81% chance... u get maybe 60-70%...
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Re: Nearly folded AA preflop. God-sent chips.

Postby support » Mon May 18, 2009 4:19 am

PokerStars Game #28309276900: Tournament #162033463, $10+$1 Hold'em No Limit - Level V (75/150) - 2009/05/17 16:16:46 ET
Table '162033463 1939' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 3: CrazyDom141 (3065 in chips)
Seat 4: geraldxx (5980 in chips)
Seat 5: kesh13 (7555 in chips)
Seat 6: DerVorführer (4120 in chips)
Seat 8: QTensooted (4180 in chips)
Seat 9: thenoggin301 (2100 in chips)
geraldxx: posts small blind 75
kesh13: posts big blind 150
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to geraldxx [Ah As]
DerVorführer: raises 3970 to 4120 and is all-in
QTensooted: folds
thenoggin301: folds
CrazyDom141: folds
geraldxx: raises 1860 to 5980 and is all-in
kesh13: folds
Uncalled bet (1860) returned to geraldxx
*** FLOP *** [7d 6d 4d]
*** TURN *** [7d 6d 4d] [3d]
*** RIVER *** [7d 6d 4d 3d] [4c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
geraldxx: shows [Ah As] (two pair, Aces and Fours)
DerVorführer: shows [Kc Ad] (a flush, Ace high)
DerVorführer collected 8390 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 8390 | Rake 0
Board [7d 6d 4d 3d 4c]
Seat 3: CrazyDom141 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: geraldxx (small blind) showed [Ah As] and lost with two pair, Aces and Fours
Seat 5: kesh13 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: DerVorführer showed [Kc Ad] and won (8390) with a flush, Ace high
Seat 8: QTensooted folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: thenoggin301 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

FREAK ACCIDENT!
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Re: Nearly folded AA preflop. God-sent chips.

Postby acehigh » Mon May 18, 2009 3:10 pm

jaw drop
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Re: Nearly folded AA preflop. God-sent chips.

Postby Nicefingers » Wed May 20, 2009 12:44 am

U got durrrred.
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Re: Nearly folded AA preflop. God-sent chips.

Postby molaboy » Wed May 20, 2009 8:07 pm

everytime i got AA and lost.. im thinking maybe i should had AK maybe I can lessen the chip lost and trauma... :)
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