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MASSIVE SWINGS!!!

Postby Froggy » Wed Nov 25, 2009 8:06 pm

Playing NL25 6max, NL25 FR, PLO25 6max, $5.50 FR SNGs, and i have swings of 100-300+ on a per day basis.

whats wrong??!
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Re: MASSIVE SWINGS!!!

Postby chenghao » Wed Nov 25, 2009 8:33 pm

Swings are part of the game , sometimes even when you are overwhelming favorite to win also he can hit a one outer. ( set over set , he hits his last case and quads you)
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Re: MASSIVE SWINGS!!!

Postby Deco_Lim » Wed Nov 25, 2009 10:09 pm

lol. My swings are sometimes unbelievable too. But just bite on. you'll see your results, unless you're playing horribly though i think that's not the case.
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Re: MASSIVE SWINGS!!!

Postby DM101 » Wed Nov 25, 2009 11:52 pm

Hey froggy, variance is part of the game.
EMBRACE IT!
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Re: MASSIVE SWINGS!!!

Postby Froggy » Thu Nov 26, 2009 1:55 am

for those who grind daily.. Does anyone set stop loss limit?

P.s. I know 10 BI swings are normal for PLO, just wondering if I Shld stop loss for those losing days, or just play on & even out the luck
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Re: MASSIVE SWINGS!!!

Postby mugiwara84 » Thu Nov 26, 2009 4:27 am

most importantly poker cannot play 1
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Re: MASSIVE SWINGS!!!

Postby Syrecx » Thu Nov 26, 2009 6:13 am

If you are consistent enough, you shouldn't have such a big swing....for myself, if i have a swing of more than 10% of my br, i have to take a break...you tend to lose yourself and definitely most of us wont be able to play our A game.

Just my 2 cents.
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Re: MASSIVE SWINGS!!!

Postby DM101 » Thu Nov 26, 2009 6:24 am

Even Isildur1 is having a major downswing too.
He fell hard from USD$5M to below $USD$500K on PTR.
A big OUCH indeed!
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Re: MASSIVE SWINGS!!!

Postby felixleong » Thu Nov 26, 2009 10:46 am

haha like this you call swing
Last time i bust step 5 for like 6 times also lan lan suck thumb ^^
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Re: MASSIVE SWINGS!!!

Postby chenghao » Thu Nov 26, 2009 12:59 pm

http://www.pokerlistings.com/strategy/g ... -downswing

If you've played poker seriously for any amount of time, you've probably hit a downswing.

And downswings can be downright demoralizing.

If you play the game long enough, though, they are as inevitable as the setting sun. Or getting your aces cracked on the bubble.

What separates great players from good players is their ability to deal with a downswing.

We've all been there. The beats start piling up and day after day you're booking losses. You feel like you're playing well, but the cards just don't fall your way.

Poker is a game dominated by short-term luck. If you had a time machine and had the ability to change one card in every WSOP, you can guarantee that you could change the outcome of the entire tournament with just that one card.

That should show you how much weight is placed on the falling of cards.

When the cards aren't going your way, it's entirely possible to play your best poker and still lose for 20,000 hands, 600 tournaments or even more. Unfortunately, it's the nature of the game.


Change just one card in WSOP history and you can change everything.

If you've experienced a lengthy swing, you can attest to the fact that it makes you question everything you have ever done in poker.

You start to wonder if you ever actually did beat the game. You wonder if the players are all getting better or if the deck is just stacked against you.

In reality, you're just as likely to be a few good cards away from a heater. And here are five tips to get you back on the right track.

1) Take Some Time Off

When it gets to the point where you don't even want to look at poker, don't. You'll be amazed at how much better you feel after taking a day or two away from the game to relax.

In the midst of a downswing, frustration will often get the best of you. Nobody plays their best when they are tilting even a little bit.

Some much-needed time away from two-outers and rivered flushes will allow you to clear your mind and come back to the game fresh.

2) Keep Things in Perspective


You are a winning player. You have done very well at poker to get to this point. That wasn't all luck.

Downswings happen to everyone; they're a part of the game. It may seem like you cannot win now, but in reality nothing has changed - you are playing in a game dominated by short-term luck.

In the long run, the good players will always win and the bad players will always lose.

You have to take the good with the bad. If you want to have those 10 buy-in days where you go on sick heaters and steamroll the table, you have to be able to stomach the other side: the prolonged downswing.


It may be hard to swallow at first, but taking a step down is a smart move.

3) Take a Step Down

Downswings can be hard on both your morale and your bankroll. A good way to get back on your feet is to move down in stakes.

Playing smaller gives you a chance to play with a lower stress level. With the weight of the money off your shoulders, you can concentrate on beating the softer competition.

When you are running bad sometimes all it takes is a few winning sessions to get your confidence back. You can jump back into your regular game whenever you feel you are ready!

4) Take a Look at Your Game

Although downswings are inevitable, the longer they drag on the more you should take a look at your game.

Everyone thinks they're better than they really are, and the middle of a downswing is a great time to really take a look at your game and see if you are playing your best poker.

Downswings lead to frustration and frustration leads to tilt; tilt leads to the dark side. And of course by dark side, I mean bad play.


Go over hands with a poker-playing friend. If that friend is John Juanda, even better.

Go over your hand histories with a poker-playing friend. Are you actually getting unlucky or are you putting yourself into too many marginal situations?

You may be surprised at what you find when you get past that "poor me" attitude.

5) Fooooooooocus

Nothing is going to pull you out of a downswing like good decision making. You just have to play through it.

If you focus on making the best possible decision every single time the action is on you, you'll be back to your winning ways before you know it.
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Re: MASSIVE SWINGS!!!

Postby verysinister » Thu Nov 26, 2009 1:19 pm

swings are inevitable but what u can do is keep improving your game to a point that variance doesnt affect u
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Re: MASSIVE SWINGS!!!

Postby vaevictis » Thu Nov 26, 2009 10:54 pm

if u swing but win sklansky bucks then its all good.

if u swing due to bad play then its another issue.
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Re: MASSIVE SWINGS!!!

Postby Froggy » Fri Nov 27, 2009 3:46 am

felixleong wrote:haha like this you call swing
Last time i bust step 5 for like 6 times also lan lan suck thumb ^^


10 BI is not a swing? wow u must be playing at 1000xBI

vaevictis wrote:if u swing but win sklansky bucks then its all good.

if u swing due to bad play then its another issue.


sklansky dollars yea. but its omaha so dollars at flop doesnt = dollars at river?
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Re: MASSIVE SWINGS!!!

Postby Guojing » Sat Nov 28, 2009 12:32 pm

Omaha is so swingy. Embrace the variance!
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