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pls tell me if i did anything wrong... T.T ...

Postby unknown415 » Tue May 18, 2010 2:01 am

i know it's poker...
but...
in e same tournament within e span of 30 minutes...
pls tell me if i did anything wrong...
T-T ...

The 1st hand...

PokerStars Game #44228290576: Tournament #312010431, $20+$2 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level VI (40/80) - 2010/05/18 1:53:44 CCT [2010/05/17 13:53:44 ET]
Table '312010431 34' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: kobe2odom8 (2850 in chips)
Seat 2: Connor Sarah (2261 in chips)
Seat 3: Rantala53 (4095 in chips)
Seat 4: polylicious (2205 in chips)
Seat 5: cody1982 (4215 in chips)
Seat 6: Waynestan (2280 in chips)
Seat 7: DaBruns (3025 in chips)
Seat 8: unknown415 (5154 in chips)
Seat 9: iyetis (5595 in chips)
unknown415: posts small blind 40
iyetis: posts big blind 80
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to unknown415 [As Ac]
kobe2odom8: folds
Connor Sarah: folds
Rantala53: folds
polylicious: folds
cody1982: folds
Waynestan: raises 240 to 320
DaBruns: folds
unknown415: raises 4834 to 5154 and is all-in
iyetis: folds
Waynestan: calls 1960 and is all-in
Uncalled bet (2874) returned to unknown415
*** FLOP *** [Ts 2d 4s]
*** TURN *** [Ts 2d 4s] [Kd]
*** RIVER *** [Ts 2d 4s Kd] [Qc]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
unknown415: shows [As Ac] (a pair of Aces)
Waynestan: shows [9s Jc] (a straight, Nine to King)
Waynestan collected 4640 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 4640 | Rake 0
Board [Ts 2d 4s Kd Qc]
Seat 1: kobe2odom8 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: Connor Sarah folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: Rantala53 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: polylicious folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: cody1982 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: Waynestan showed [9s Jc] and won (4640) with a straight, Nine to King
Seat 7: DaBruns (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: unknown415 (small blind) showed [As Ac] and lost with a pair of Aces
Seat 9: iyetis (big blind) folded before Flop

The 2nd Hand...

PokerStars Game #44229899715: Tournament #312010431, $20+$2 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level VIII (60/120) - 2010/05/18 2:25:42 CCT [2010/05/17 14:25:42 ET]
Table '312010431 34' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: RUNNER JIM (7113 in chips)
Seat 2: Connor Sarah (3611 in chips)
Seat 3: Kabrus620 (7390 in chips)
Seat 4: Rich"Django" (20435 in chips)
Seat 5: sherifintown (1655 in chips)
Seat 6: Waynestan (12850 in chips)
Seat 8: unknown415 (1464 in chips)
Seat 9: iyetis (2345 in chips)
RUNNER JIM: posts the ante 15
Connor Sarah: posts the ante 15
Kabrus620: posts the ante 15
Rich"Django": posts the ante 15
sherifintown: posts the ante 15
Waynestan: posts the ante 15
unknown415: posts the ante 15
iyetis: posts the ante 15
iyetis: posts small blind 60
RUNNER JIM: posts big blind 120
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to unknown415 [Ah Ac]
Connor Sarah: folds
Kabrus620: folds
Rich"Django": folds
sherifintown: calls 120
Waynestan: calls 120
unknown415: raises 480 to 600
iyetis: folds
RUNNER JIM: folds
sherifintown: calls 480
Waynestan: calls 480
*** FLOP *** [4h Th Jd]
playerz86 is connected
sherifintown: checks
Waynestan: checks
unknown415: bets 849 and is all-in
sherifintown: raises 191 to 1040 and is all-in
Waynestan: calls 1040
*** TURN *** [4h Th Jd] [4s]
*** RIVER *** [4h Th Jd 4s] [Js]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
sherifintown: shows [8c Jc] (a full house, Jacks full of Fours)
Waynestan: shows [8d Qd] (two pair, Jacks and Fours)
sherifintown collected 382 from side pot
unknown415: shows [Ah Ac] (two pair, Aces and Jacks)
sherifintown collected 4647 from main pot
Rich"Django" is disconnected
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 5029 Main pot 4647. Side pot 382. | Rake 0
Board [4h Th Jd 4s Js]
Seat 1: RUNNER JIM (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: Connor Sarah folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: Kabrus620 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: Rich"Django" folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: sherifintown showed [8c Jc] and won (5029) with a full house, Jacks full of Fours
Seat 6: Waynestan showed [8d Qd] and lost with two pair, Jacks and Fours
Seat 8: unknown415 (button) showed [Ah Ac] and lost with two pair, Aces and Jacks
Seat 9: iyetis (small blind) folded before Flop
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Re: pls tell me if i did anything wrong... T.T ...

Postby chenghao » Tue May 18, 2010 2:56 am

Happens all the time , just move on to the next hand
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Postby Afternoon » Tue May 18, 2010 9:55 am

Right play, just no luck!
Maybe you should start praying to the bad beat God.
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Re: pls tell me if i did anything wrong... T.T ...

Postby unknown415 » Tue May 18, 2010 12:12 pm

good 2 know i played it right...
hahaha...
bad beat God...
u jus make my day la Uncle Bob...
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Re: pls tell me if i did anything wrong... T.T ...

Postby chenghao » Tue May 18, 2010 12:45 pm

unknown415 wrote:i know it's poker...
but...
in e same tournament within e span of 30 minutes...
pls tell me if i did anything wrong...
T-T ...

The 1st hand...

PokerStars Game #44228290576: Tournament #312010431, $20+$2 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level VI (40/80) - 2010/05/18 1:53:44 CCT [2010/05/17 13:53:44 ET]
Table '312010431 34' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: kobe2odom8 (2850 in chips)
Seat 2: Connor Sarah (2261 in chips)
Seat 3: Rantala53 (4095 in chips)
Seat 4: polylicious (2205 in chips)
Seat 5: cody1982 (4215 in chips)
Seat 6: Waynestan (2280 in chips)
Seat 7: DaBruns (3025 in chips)
Seat 8: unknown415 (5154 in chips)
Seat 9: iyetis (5595 in chips)
unknown415: posts small blind 40
iyetis: posts big blind 80
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to unknown415 [As Ac]
kobe2odom8: folds
Connor Sarah: folds
Rantala53: folds
polylicious: folds
cody1982: folds
Waynestan: raises 240 to 320
DaBruns: folds
unknown415: raises 4834 to 5154 and is all-in
iyetis: folds
Waynestan: calls 1960 and is all-in
Uncalled bet (2874) returned to unknown415
*** FLOP *** [Ts 2d 4s]
*** TURN *** [Ts 2d 4s] [Kd]
*** RIVER *** [Ts 2d 4s Kd] [Qc]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
unknown415: shows [As Ac] (a pair of Aces)
Waynestan: shows [9s Jc] (a straight, Nine to King)
Waynestan collected 4640 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 4640 | Rake 0
Board [Ts 2d 4s Kd Qc]
Seat 1: kobe2odom8 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: Connor Sarah folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: Rantala53 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: polylicious folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: cody1982 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: Waynestan showed [9s Jc] and won (4640) with a straight, Nine to King
Seat 7: DaBruns (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: unknown415 (small blind) showed [As Ac] and lost with a pair of Aces
Seat 9: iyetis (big blind) folded before Flop

The 2nd Hand...

PokerStars Game #44229899715: Tournament #312010431, $20+$2 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level VIII (60/120) - 2010/05/18 2:25:42 CCT [2010/05/17 14:25:42 ET]
Table '312010431 34' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: RUNNER JIM (7113 in chips)
Seat 2: Connor Sarah (3611 in chips)
Seat 3: Kabrus620 (7390 in chips)
Seat 4: Rich"Django" (20435 in chips)
Seat 5: sherifintown (1655 in chips)
Seat 6: Waynestan (12850 in chips)
Seat 8: unknown415 (1464 in chips)
Seat 9: iyetis (2345 in chips)
RUNNER JIM: posts the ante 15
Connor Sarah: posts the ante 15
Kabrus620: posts the ante 15
Rich"Django": posts the ante 15
sherifintown: posts the ante 15
Waynestan: posts the ante 15
unknown415: posts the ante 15
iyetis: posts the ante 15
iyetis: posts small blind 60
RUNNER JIM: posts big blind 120
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to unknown415 [Ah Ac]
Connor Sarah: folds
Kabrus620: folds
Rich"Django": folds
sherifintown: calls 120
Waynestan: calls 120
unknown415: raises 480 to 600
iyetis: folds
RUNNER JIM: folds
sherifintown: calls 480
Waynestan: calls 480
*** FLOP *** [4h Th Jd]
playerz86 is connected
sherifintown: checks
Waynestan: checks
unknown415: bets 849 and is all-in
sherifintown: raises 191 to 1040 and is all-in
Waynestan: calls 1040
*** TURN *** [4h Th Jd] [4s]
*** RIVER *** [4h Th Jd 4s] [Js]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
sherifintown: shows [8c Jc] (a full house, Jacks full of Fours)
Waynestan: shows [8d Qd] (two pair, Jacks and Fours)
sherifintown collected 382 from side pot
unknown415: shows [Ah Ac] (two pair, Aces and Jacks)
sherifintown collected 4647 from main pot
Rich"Django" is disconnected
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 5029 Main pot 4647. Side pot 382. | Rake 0
Board [4h Th Jd 4s Js]
Seat 1: RUNNER JIM (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: Connor Sarah folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: Kabrus620 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: Rich"Django" folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: sherifintown showed [8c Jc] and won (5029) with a full house, Jacks full of Fours
Seat 6: Waynestan showed [8d Qd] and lost with two pair, Jacks and Fours
Seat 8: unknown415 (button) showed [Ah Ac] and lost with two pair, Aces and Jacks
Seat 9: iyetis (small blind) folded before Flop


For the 1st hand , preflop %=
Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

1,712,304 games 0.002 secs 856,152,000 games/sec

Board:
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 84.082% 83.87% 00.21% 1436061 3675.00 { AcAs }
Hand 1: 15.918% 15.70% 00.21% 268893 3675.00 { Jc9s }

every 100 times , you will win 84 times , lose 16 times.
your 1 in 5 favourite.

while you are a favourite to win this hand , this hand can probably be saved if you 3bet him preflop a little less , then all in on the flop , cos on the flop , he has nothing and MIGHT fold. This is assuming he doesn't
4bet shove.

For the 2nd hand . Pre flop % =
Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

1,370,754 games 0.050 secs 27,415,080 games/sec

Board:
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 13.979% 13.23% 00.74% 181415 10201.50 { Jc8c }
Hand 1: 14.849% 14.10% 00.74% 193341 10201.50 { Qd8d }
Hand 2: 71.172% 71.08% 00.10% 974290 1305.00 { AcAh }

If u depend just on luck , every 10 times u run it , you will win 7 times , lose 3 times ,

For the 2nd hand , i think the result will be the same no matter what as
sherifintown won't be letting go of his jack , the pot is already bigger then your stack .

Your choices are to bet or check ?
To bet is definitely ok as you want to get paid by any pocket pair that is not set , the J T or 4 Pair. you have the Ah which is a nutflush blocker , so chances are lower for the flush drawer

Lets say you check the flop for pot control(which isn't a good move as you want to get your chips in when you are ahead in a tournament .) on the turn the guy with the Jack will fire for sure and if you fold @ this point , your game play is too weak ( unless justified by something like , if i fold , will ITM , then thats ok )

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Re: pls tell me if i did anything wrong... T.T ...

Postby guanie » Tue May 18, 2010 10:36 pm

both hands look gd, the typical FML situations.

just curious why u made it 5x with like a 11bb stack after 2 limpers in the 2nd hand and u shoved against a 4x LP open with 28bb effective in the 1st hand? was it near bubble in the 2nd hand?

edit: esp when one of the limpers was the same guy who called off J high in the first hand.
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Postby Afternoon » Tue May 18, 2010 11:01 pm

Chenghao,

U bery the "chim" .... too many numbers, see until uncle blur blur ........
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Re: pls tell me if i did anything wrong... T.T ...

Postby unknown415 » Tue May 18, 2010 11:21 pm

guanie wrote:both hands look gd, the typical FML situations.

just curious why u made it 5x with like a 11bb stack after 2 limpers in the 2nd hand and u shoved against a 4x LP open with 28bb effective in the 1st hand? was it near bubble in the 2nd hand?

edit: esp when one of the limpers was the same guy who called off J high in the first hand.


so u mean i should have just shoved preflop?...
i was thinking i wanted to raise a nice amount for them 2 call cos i was on short stack...
i was thinking if i shoved, mayb only 1 person would call and that would not have got me a bigger pot if i had won it...
cos from e way it was played,i was only betting on 2 callers after e raise...
which wouldnt b so bad for pocket A...

[quote="chenghao"
For the 1st hand , preflop %=
Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

1,712,304 games 0.002 secs 856,152,000 games/sec

Board:
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 84.082% 83.87% 00.21% 1436061 3675.00 { AcAs }
Hand 1: 15.918% 15.70% 00.21% 268893 3675.00 { Jc9s }

every 100 times , you will win 84 times , lose 16 times.
your 1 in 5 favourite.

while you are a favourite to win this hand , this hand can probably be saved if you 3bet him preflop a little less , then all in on the flop , cos on the flop , he has nothing and MIGHT fold. This is assuming he doesn't
4bet shove.

---[/quote][/quote]

i shoved in e A preflop cos i know i had him beaten mah...
XD ...
i mean i dun mind if he called my all in with Ts-Ks...
but J9o?...
that is not freeroll tournament le...

any1 can give any advice at which point of medium entry tournament where this kind of hand will definitely not play preflop?...
i haven't played enough poker 2 know...
hope e more laojiao kaki can enlighten me...
very much appreciated thx...

n btw thx 4 e advice and explanations guys...
helping e newbie alot here...
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Re: pls tell me if i did anything wrong... T.T ...

Postby chenghao » Wed May 19, 2010 1:00 am

When you have a hand like AA , its vulnerable as its only a pair , the purpose you raise big is to chase out people , your plan is to hopefully heads up ( just one opponent) and take down the pot on the flop . Then again , there is another school of thought which is to set mine with every single pair , even pocket QQ+. so whichever you want is up to you.

the 1st board was quite dry and if you had bet the way you did in your 2nd hand , you probably would take down the board uncontested.

the 2nd board there is all sorts of draws out there , straight and heart flush draw
if you checked the flop and give a free card , any heart could complete a flush , A K Q 9 8 7 could complete straights , T , J 4 could give trips , any other card could give 2 pairs. there is just too many scare cards for this sort of flop.

It depends on your school of thought and the level / stage of tournament.

one school of thought indicates you open with 3x BB or 3XBB + 1 BB for every limper. Reraising 2.5X if there is a need to.

Another school of thought open raise the same amount every time as they believe the raise should not indicate your hand strength but the fact that you want to take this pot. Like everytime u raise 3.5 X bb , you do it with both 72o and AA.

Otherwise the more astute players would pick up like : this guy min raises with pocket lower then T , 3 X bb with any 2 picture and all in with pocket pair J and above.

then there is the level of tournament. When you have not enough for 7 full orbits ( small blind + big blind + (ante x the number of person)) = one orbit. You slip into a mode call push or shove. thats when you open preflop with an all in and leave things to fate.

then there is the stage prior to in the money and prior to final table.

this is when the objective of each player becomes clear , whether they want to just in the money or get number 1

E.g.

if there is a raise in first position (UTG) , a reraise after him (middle position) and a 4bet (cut off) , a player who wants to in the money would fold everything except AA ( that includes KK and AK)
Given the same scenario , a person who wants to get number 1 , will say " all my chips , i jump off building also play lar" cos of both the value and the fact that he might be ahead ( UTG trying to steal , MP trying to resteal , CO has a hand like lower pockets and so its really a flip with CO , all the dead money UTG and MP will fold to makes the flip worth it )
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Re: pls tell me if i did anything wrong... T.T ...

Postby guanie » Wed May 19, 2010 1:14 am

in this particular situation i guess raising is probably fine, since the big stack involved in the hand is barely competent so u can ideally get an overcall from at least 1 of the limper. if this hand took place near the bubble i would probably prefer a raise (albeit a smaller one) over a shove too, give the either SS a chance to reship (SSs are less likely to overcall a shove or call to flip near bubble) or the odds for the BS to call and try to bust u.

in any other spot putting 40% of ur stack in after 2 limpers is way stronger than just shoving behind, so naturally u will appear weaker and be more likely to be called by a competent player if u ship ur 11bb in straight.

on the side note, try to use hand history converter next time, it makes reading much easier, and for tournament hands i think u should include the avg stack of the tourny at the pt when the hand took place and of cos any reads or stats u have on the villian. ur stack in relation to the avg stack of the tourny and how far into the tourny u are makes a difference to the play u should be making.
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Re: pls tell me if i did anything wrong... T.T ...

Postby unknown415 » Wed May 19, 2010 1:26 am

chenghao - wow...thx bro...i understand what you are trying to say...will definitely put e knowledge into my future games...nd more experience i guess...

guanie - it wasn't anywhere near the bubble yet, if i am not mistaken, e average stack was probably ard 8k...i was jus on short stack...and i put my callers on very loose and reckless players category who would play any pair...btw,what is this hand history converter and where can i get it?...
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Re: pls tell me if i did anything wrong... T.T ...

Postby guanie » Wed May 19, 2010 1:53 am

chenghao wrote:When you have a hand like AA , its vulnerable as its only a pair , the purpose you raise big is to chase out people , your plan is to hopefully heads up ( just one opponent) and take down the pot on the flop . Then again , there is another school of thought which is to set mine with every single pair , even pocket QQ+. so whichever you want is up to you.


i dont think that will ever work in the present context, playing big pocket pairs for set value only is possibly the most -EV thing u can do esp in a MTT.


chenghao wrote:one school of thought indicates you open with 3x BB or 3XBB + 1 BB for every limper. Reraising 2.5X if there is a need to.

Another school of thought open raise the same amount every time as they believe the raise should not indicate your hand strength but the fact that you want to take this pot. Like everytime u raise 3.5 X bb , you do it with both 72o and AA.

Otherwise the more astute players would pick up like : this guy min raises with pocket lower then T , 3 X bb with any 2 picture and all in with pocket pair J and above.


i think thats more applicable to cash games. MTT pf plays are slightly more dymanic that a static set of rules for raising can hardly apply optimally (changing M with different lvls, antes increasing size of pot etc). raise sizes should be dependent on ur stack size, the stack size of players to act, and chips alrdy in the pot. and play should vary at different inflection pts of the MTT.
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Re: pls tell me if i did anything wrong... T.T ...

Postby guanie » Wed May 19, 2010 2:03 am

unknown415 wrote:chenghao - wow...thx bro...i understand what you are trying to say...will definitely put e knowledge into my future games...nd more experience i guess...

guanie - it wasn't anywhere near the bubble yet, if i am not mistaken, e average stack was probably ard 8k...i was jus on short stack...and i put my callers on very loose and reckless players category who would play any pair...btw,what is this hand history converter and where can i get it?...


http://poker-tools.flopturnriver.com/Hand-Converter.php

just paste the HH onto the convertor and post the output in the forum. for advice on tough hands omit results for more objective assessment from the kakis.

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Re: pls tell me if i did anything wrong... T.T ...

Postby axel » Wed May 19, 2010 4:08 am

Many people love to 'slowplay' AA preflop, and those are the same people who complain when their AA get cracked. Ironic isn't it?
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