A lesson on light 3bet and playing the player

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A lesson on light 3bet and playing the player

Postby AceKing » Sun Jul 04, 2010 6:54 pm

This is a 3-hand play that extracted quite an amount from an aggressive preflop player. It started with this hand:

PokerStars Game #46325830453: Hold'em No Limit ($0.01/$0.02 USD) - 2010/07/04 10:24:33 UTC [2010/07/04 6:24:33 ET]
Table 'Erriapo' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: 8Mozaika8 ($0.88 in chips)
Seat 2: tin4eto ($2 in chips)
Seat 3: Jeffo1 ($4.72 in chips)
Seat 4: sibenik1111 ($1.07 in chips)
Seat 5: Hero ($2.40 in chips)
Seat 6: luiseteteam ($2.25 in chips)
Seat 7: topdawg_b ($0.85 in chips)
Seat 8: Asmodian_79 ($4.22 in chips)
Seat 9: knusperkopp1 ($2 in chips)
sibenik1111: posts small blind $0.01
Hero: posts big blind $0.02
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Hero [Qs Ac]
luiseteteam: folds
topdawg_b: folds
Asmodian_79: folds
knusperkopp1: folds
8Mozaika8: calls $0.02
tin4eto: raises $0.08 to $0.10
Jeffo1: folds
sibenik1111: folds
Hero: raises $0.08 to $0.18
8Mozaika8: folds
tin4eto: raises $0.22 to $0.40
Hero: calls $0.22
*** FLOP *** [9c 7s 3s]
Hero: checks
tin4eto: bets $1.60 and is all-in
Hero: folds
Uncalled bet ($1.60) returned to tin4eto
tin4eto collected $0.79 from pot
tin4eto: doesn't show hand

I 3bet him, and then call his 4bet. The flop didn't hit me and I folded. Creating an image of a loose 3bettor and caller preflop.



Next hand:

PokerStars Game #46325920661: Hold'em No Limit ($0.01/$0.02 USD) - 2010/07/04 10:28:55 UTC [2010/07/04 6:28:55 ET]
Table 'Erriapo' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: 8Mozaika8 ($0.82 in chips)
Seat 2: tin4eto ($2.36 in chips)
Seat 4: sibenik1111 ($1.06 in chips)
Seat 5: Hero ($1.99 in chips)
Seat 6: luiseteteam ($2.01 in chips)
Seat 7: topdawg_b ($1.18 in chips)
Seat 8: Asmodian_79 ($4.12 in chips)
Seat 9: knusperkopp1 ($2.09 in chips)
Asmodian_79: posts small blind $0.01
knusperkopp1: posts big blind $0.02
Emaraude: sits out
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Hero [Kh Ks]
8Mozaika8: folds
tin4eto: raises $0.06 to $0.08
sibenik1111: folds
Hero: raises $0.06 to $0.14
luiseteteam: folds
topdawg_b: folds
Asmodian_79: folds
knusperkopp1: folds
tin4eto: raises $2.22 to $2.36 and is all-in
Hero: calls $1.85 and is all-in
Uncalled bet ($0.37) returned to tin4eto
*** FLOP *** [2d Js 9c]
*** TURN *** [2d Js 9c] [4c]
*** RIVER *** [2d Js 9c 4c] [3h]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
tin4eto: shows [Qh Ac] (high card Ace)
Hero: shows [Kh Ks] (a pair of Kings)
Hero collected $3.81 from pot

Another 3bet, but this time with a strong hand. As expected, he went over the top and I called with the better hand. Was definitely worried that he might have AA, but since that's the only hand that has an edge against me, I called. The boards hits blank, no bad beats. =)





Final hand:

PokerStars Game #46326138719: Hold'em No Limit ($0.01/$0.02 USD) - 2010/07/04 10:39:23 UTC [2010/07/04 6:39:23 ET]
Table 'Erriapo' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 2: tin4eto ($0.72 in chips)
Seat 3: Emaraude ($2 in chips)
Seat 4: Lena.L777 ($1.69 in chips)
Seat 5: Hero ($4.21 in chips)
Seat 6: luiseteteam ($2 in chips)
Seat 7: topdawg_b ($0.92 in chips)
Seat 9: knusperkopp1 ($2 in chips)
luiseteteam: posts small blind $0.01
topdawg_b: posts big blind $0.02
88_m0j0: sits out
TT_Gott1987: sits out
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Hero [Ad As]
knusperkopp1: folds
tin4eto: calls $0.02
Emaraude: calls $0.02
Lena.L777: calls $0.02
Hero: raises $0.70 to $0.72
luiseteteam: folds
topdawg_b: folds
tin4eto: calls $0.70 and is all-in
Emaraude: folds
Lena.L777: folds
*** FLOP *** [Td 4d 4h]
*** TURN *** [Td 4d 4h] [Tc]
*** RIVER *** [Td 4d 4h Tc] [2s]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
tin4eto: shows [Ah 9c] (two pair, Tens and Fours)
Hero: shows [Ad As] (two pair, Aces and Tens)
Hero collected $1.44 from pot


Notice my raise, it was the exact amount he needed to call to go all in. An over aggressive preflop player will instinctively call a bet like this, even with a weak Ace. Game set and match.


So, what do you guys think? Well played?
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Re: A lesson on light 3bet and playing the player

Postby keldraco » Sun Jul 04, 2010 11:34 pm

hmm.. i think he would still go all-in pre-flog even without 1st hand. If he know that u will fold to his bet if u didnt flop, he would just call. 3rd hand, hes just on tilt and want to get revange (he did at 1st just limp with A9o).
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Re: A lesson on light 3bet and playing the player

Postby axel » Mon Jul 05, 2010 2:01 am

I actually think villian plays all 3 hands better than hero, in terms of preflop raise sizes. Min-3betting and calling a 4bet oop with AQ and check/folding on the flop is not creating a loose image, it's a total fish play imo.
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Re: A lesson on light 3bet and playing the player

Postby guanie » Mon Jul 05, 2010 4:46 am

3bet sizing is off. flatting 4bet oop with AQo is major spew. more imptly 3betting AQo btn vs blind is standard. basically, u spewed one hand against villian, and pick up 2 more hands later in the game and stacked him. there isnt any light 3betting here.
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Re: A lesson on light 3bet and playing the player

Postby mrjorisa » Mon Jul 05, 2010 9:28 am

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Re: A lesson on light 3bet and playing the player

Postby Mydral » Sun Jul 11, 2010 11:46 am

..... you don't know what light 3-betting is.... its Nl2.... don't need to say anything more.
The hands played involve no meta-game or light 3-betting.. you are purely playing the hand, not the player. 1 hand creates no image.. ever. There are no "images" on NL2.

Your raise sizing are all off

Let me give you advice on light 3-betting... it is when you do it with hands like 78s in position against regulars. It is usually applied at Nl50, maybe Nl25-30 a bit. If you even think of applying it to Nl2 it will fail...

But then again... I am a fish, what do I know.
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Re: A lesson on light 3bet and playing the player

Postby Froggy » Sun Jul 11, 2010 6:39 pm

flatting 4bet with AQo is very very bad. check/folding after 4bet is worse, should nvr ever do that
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