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Re: Entrance fee legal?

Postby NKOTB » Fri Oct 22, 2010 10:23 pm

support wrote:The law is 'blanket'ing all forms of fees/transactions/commissions relating to gambling activities as illegal.

No matter how u call it, name it or try to change techniques to charge, it's still under this blanket law.

This law is in-effect not just Singapore in but almost every country has a variation of this law.


Is this a new law in effect???
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Re: Entrance fee legal?

Postby NKOTB » Fri Oct 22, 2010 10:35 pm

Suppose if I host a game under this conditions.

1.) Every player will contribute $20 towards the dealer''s pay
2.) No rake
3.) Buyins are all properly recorded
4.) Winners are to "voluntarily" tip the house and dealer 5-10% of their winnings
5.) Losers do not pay for anything additional except for $20 dealer's pay which is compulsory for everyone
6.) Winners are expected to pay for food and drinks during makan time (it's like the good old Mahjong days....the winner will always buy supper for the rest)
7.) Eradicate problems like over-raking, losers loses 100% to the table.
8.) House technically do not profit.

Will I be breaking the law?
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Re: Entrance fee legal?

Postby PokerChief » Fri Oct 22, 2010 11:20 pm

Afternoon wrote:Entrance fee is legal ! But the amount must not be set too low.

I propose $100 for 24hrs or an annual pass of $2000 per house.


UB, I know that u learned a new game,"carps" in Macau. No wonder u r so full of carps! lol..
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Re: Entrance fee legal?

Postby PokerChief » Fri Oct 22, 2010 11:25 pm

NKOTB wrote:Suppose if I host a game under this conditions.

1.) Every player will contribute $20 towards the dealer''s pay
2.) No rake
3.) Buyins are all properly recorded
4.) Winners are to "voluntarily" tip the house and dealer 5-10% of their winnings
5.) Losers do not pay for anything additional except for $20 dealer's pay which is compulsory for everyone
6.) Winners are expected to pay for food and drinks during makan time (it's like the good old Mahjong days....the winner will always buy supper for the rest)
7.) Eradicate problems like over-raking, losers loses 100% to the table.
8.) House technically do not profit.

Will I be breaking the law?


wow! looks like u thought it out so well.. i m not too sure if you broke the law or not, but for sure, u bend the law. But still, remember to pay tax ok? good luck
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Re: Entrance fee legal?

Postby PokerChief » Fri Oct 22, 2010 11:40 pm

NKOTB wrote:Suppose if I host a game under this conditions.

1.) Every player will contribute $20 towards the dealer''s pay
2.) No rake
3.) Buyins are all properly recorded
4.) Winners are to "voluntarily" tip the house and dealer 5-10% of their winnings
5.) Losers do not pay for anything additional except for $20 dealer's pay which is compulsory for everyone
6.) Winners are expected to pay for food and drinks during makan time (it's like the good old Mahjong days....the winner will always buy supper for the rest)
7.) Eradicate problems like over-raking, losers loses 100% to the table.
8.) House technically do not profit.

Will I be breaking the law?


Legally, u aren't allowed to host game openly, but you can invite your friends over to your house for some card games, obviously not renting a premise solely for the purpose of your card games.
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Re: Entrance fee legal?

Postby support » Sat Oct 23, 2010 12:17 am

This
4.) Winners are to "voluntarily" tip the house and dealer 5-10% of their winnings

& This
6.) Winners are expected to pay for food and drinks during makan time (it's like the good old Mahjong days....the winner will always buy supper for the rest)

Does not mean this.
8.) House technically do not profit.
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Re: Entrance fee legal?

Postby NKOTB » Sat Oct 23, 2010 2:24 am

support wrote:This
4.) Winners are to "voluntarily" tip the house and dealer 5-10% of their winnings

& This
6.) Winners are expected to pay for food and drinks during makan time (it's like the good old Mahjong days....the winner will always buy supper for the rest)

Does not mean this.
8.) House technically do not profit.


Support, you have a point, but end of the day what I'm trying to say is:

As a poker player. the things you wanna have when you play is:

1.) Dealer (that knows how to deal, i.e. fast and can control the table)
2.) Proper table, chips & chair
3.) Air-con
4.) Food and drinks (I think people would rather pay for their own food and drinks rather than subject themselves to over-raking)
5.) FISHES and DONKS (your friends can only lose that much to you, and hey! fishes and donks can become good friends too!!!)
6.) Full ring action

How can we have the above things without risking ourselves to a police bust?

The answer is out there - MBS and RWS!!! We need them poker rooms open!

Or......we can get Leisure World to crash land on Punggol Beach and we can just walk into LW without the Tekong ferries.......

I think the police should just come up with a guideline as to how a poker game can be played without breaking the law.....like that there's no more grey areas.

Either that, or make owning a poker table illegal........

IMHO
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Re: Entrance fee legal?

Postby ibelieveindevil » Sat Oct 23, 2010 8:46 pm

if mbs were to open the table for poker, the blind will be at least 10/20. i guess will be 25/50
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Re: Entrance fee legal?

Postby 8ight » Sun Oct 24, 2010 2:40 pm

i thought i heard the govt will not allow it as it would be gambling against fellow gamblers and not the house?
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Re: Entrance fee legal?

Postby support » Tue Oct 26, 2010 10:03 am

8ight wrote:i thought i heard the govt will not allow it as it would be gambling against fellow gamblers and not the house?


That is not the problem. It's already approved as one of the games, just that the casinos didn't want to open the tables (maybe lack of staff or skillset).
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Re: Entrance fee legal?

Postby Afternoon » Tue Oct 26, 2010 11:08 am

Poker game (Texas Hold'em) has been approved by the Authority in both casinos.

We do agree Poker attracts and bring in a different group of players/punters but is ranked as the least profitable game by the Casinos operator. Unlike Macau whereby there are 30 over big and small casinos competing to woo the number of players, they often have many empty tables. Whereas SG have only 2 'Big" ones and both casinos never lack of punters but the limited number of gaming tables approved by the authority.

In fact RWS is already operating almost in full capacity, and often packed with gamblers from the regional countries, so cash game Poker become not a wise choice selection for them in term of profit generating.

MBS was approved of 1000 gaming tables, which is more then what RWS have. Although we can see many empty table in MBS but the main problem facing MBS is that they are short handed in the dealer department (we can read this in the paper). More people expected to visit MBS when they are in full operation by 1st quarterly next year.

A better bet for having poker game in casino would lied in MBS if some kind soul with connection can persuade the MBS board to bring in "THE" game as well as Mega tournaments to Singapore. Anyone ?

I am really looking forward for this day, but when.......

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