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Did i played wrongly?

Postby keldraco » Thu Sep 02, 2010 5:33 pm

Full Tilt Poker Game #23554001807: $1 + $0.20 Sit & Go (182140099), Table 1 - 20/40 - No Limit Hold'em - 04:44:20 ET - 2010/09/02
Seat 1: Vahik 161 (1,420)
Seat 2: Telisis (2,285)
Seat 3: hero (1,425)
Seat 4: Tigershark2005 (1,830)
Seat 5: Redbullsascha (960)
Seat 6: powercordes (700)
Seat 7: Yu 113 (1,400)
Seat 8: Pfreal36 (1,810)
Seat 9: MORCUS49 (1,670)
Vahik 161 posts the small blind of 20
Telisis posts the big blind of 40
The button is in seat #9
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to hero [Jh Js]
hero calls 40
Tigershark2005 folds
Redbullsascha calls 40
powercordes folds
Yu 113 has 15 seconds left to act
Yu 113 folds
Pfreal36 raises to 100
MORCUS49 folds
Vahik 161 calls 80
Telisis calls 60
hero raises to 1,425, and is all in
Redbullsascha folds
Pfreal36 has 15 seconds left to act
Pfreal36 folds
Vahik 161 calls 1,320, and is all in
Telisis folds
hero shows [Jh Js]
Vahik 161 shows [Ad Jc]
Uncalled bet of 5 returned to hero
*** FLOP *** [4h 2h Ac]
*** TURN *** [4h 2h Ac] [Th]
*** RIVER *** [4h 2h Ac Th] [6s]
hero shows a pair of Jacks
Vahik 161 shows a pair of Aces
Vahik 161 wins the pot (3,080) with a pair of Aces
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 3,080 | Rake 0
Board: [4h 2h Ac Th 6s]
Seat 1: Vahik 161 (small blind) showed [Ad Jc] and won (3,080) with a pair of Aces
Seat 2: Telisis (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 3: hero showed [Jh Js] and lost with a pair of Jacks
Seat 4: Tigershark2005 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 5: Redbullsascha folded before the Flop
Seat 6: powercordes didn't bet (folded)
Seat 7: Yu 113 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 8: Pfreal36 folded before the Flop
Seat 9: MORCUS49 (button) didn't bet (folded)


1) should i start the raise? i lim because the game was still early, in 1st pos hoping to 3bet a raiser.
2) i don't feel that the other 4 players have stronger hands then mine.
3)how much is the best raise here? my feeling is, it very hard for players at this lvl to fold their hands if the bet is not strong enough+they already committd some chip.
4)my intention was to win whatever was in the pot.
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Re: Did i played wrongly?

Postby bulkbiz » Thu Sep 02, 2010 7:33 pm

Going all in with JJ during early game is already a mistake
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Re: Did i played wrongly?

Postby suitedpairs29 » Fri Sep 03, 2010 3:54 am

Let's try and address allyour questions:

1. You should open the raise from early position with a hand as strong as jacks. This hand is good, but not strong enough to limp 3bet preflop, especially because you only get called most of the time by hands that you flip against (ak, aq) and hands that crush you (qq, kk, aa).

2. When you say that you feel that other players don't have a strong hand, is this a feel thing or based on a read? If it's based on a feeling only, ignore that and respect raises.

3. At early pos I raise to about 3-4x the bb. Let people call with bad hands, you will win in the long run against their hands. When a scare card comes on the flop, you can fold with minimal loss. You don't have to over commit preflop with just jj.

4. Just standard raise, if an ace flops, you can safely fold because most people call with an ace. If no other card shows you can play a big pot because people don't fold their draws or top pair. Because of this, you either lose a small pot or win a big one. Isn't hat better?

Hope this helps
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Re: Did i played wrongly?

Postby xcaliblur » Fri Sep 03, 2010 4:30 pm

I agree with previous posters.

JJ is a good hand, even if you are UTG. However extreme caution needs to be exercised, especially if you plan to 3 bet. 3 betting does not mean re-raising from 100 to all in of 1400. There is no point at all doing something like that with JJ as the only hand that will call that huge over-raise is one that either have yours crushed, like QQ, KK, or AA or 2 overcards, giving you about a 50% chance to win. This type of play in most situations is negative EV.

You CAN 3 bet say to 400-500 but i dont really like this play. If the other person 4bets you and goes all in you would have no choice but to fold.

Thats why i also think its fine to open-raise with your Jacks and if lots of people call and outflop you you can still fold your hand with minimal loss. Remember that a pair of jacks is just a pair of jacks.

In short, JJ is a good solid hand, but is not a premium by any chance and may be easily crushed. Raising with it is good, but it should not be taken too far.
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Re: Did i played wrongly?

Postby keldraco » Fri Sep 03, 2010 9:53 pm

Thanks. i'll be extra caution next time. it such a bad play since it will only be call by bigger pairs
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