I really need to learn to get away from hands like these

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I really need to learn to get away from hands like these

Postby AceKing » Sat Sep 25, 2010 5:54 pm

Full Tilt Poker Game #24184533764: Table Blackheart (shallow) - $0.01/$0.02 - No Limit Hold'em - 05:14:34 ET - 2010/09/25
Seat 1: rbt76 ($0.80)
Seat 2: Giedmat ($0.71)
Seat 3: aj502 ($1.28)
Seat 4: xMlody88x ($0.73)
Seat 5: jaguarsupercar ($0.30)
Seat 6: a88023011 ($0.40)
Seat 7: gigglesssss ($0.73)
Seat 8: PocketAde ($0.57)
Seat 9: -xc0uragex- ($1.73)
Giedmat posts the small blind of $0.01
aj502 posts the big blind of $0.02
The button is in seat #1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to PocketAde [As Ks]
xMlody88x folds
jaguarsupercar folds
a88023011 folds
gigglesssss folds
PocketAde raises to $0.08
-xc0uragex- calls $0.08
rbt76 folds
Giedmat folds
aj502 folds
*** FLOP *** [Jc Js 9s]
PocketAde has 15 seconds left to act
PocketAde bets $0.18
-xc0uragex- calls $0.18
*** TURN *** [Jc Js 9s] [Kh]
PocketAde bets $0.31, and is all in
-xc0uragex- calls $0.31
PocketAde shows [As Ks]
-xc0uragex- shows [Jh Jd]
*** RIVER *** [Jc Js 9s Kh] [Qs]
PocketAde shows a flush, Ace high
-xc0uragex- shows four of a kind, Jacks
-xc0uragex- wins the pot ($1.10) with four of a kind, Jacks
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $1.17 | Rake $0.07
Board: [Jc Js 9s Kh Qs]
Seat 1: rbt76 (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 2: Giedmat (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 3: aj502 (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 4: xMlody88x didn't bet (folded)
Seat 5: jaguarsupercar didn't bet (folded)
Seat 6: a88023011 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 7: gigglesssss didn't bet (folded)
Seat 8: PocketAde showed [As Ks] and lost with a flush, Ace high
Seat 9: -xc0uragex- showed [Jh Jd] and won ($1.10) with four of a kind, Jacks



Should have slowed down on the turn huh?
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Re: I really need to learn to get away from hands like these

Postby keldraco » Sat Sep 25, 2010 8:44 pm

if i can still recall from XXXXXX.com ss play aim to double up on a single hand? i can't slow this case. anyway what is the (shallow) mean? i don't play ring game that much.
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Re: I really need to learn to get away from hands like these

Postby AceKing » Sat Sep 25, 2010 9:02 pm

Shallow means shallow stack. The maximum buy-in for that table is $0.80, instead of $2.00.
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Re: I really need to learn to get away from hands like these

Postby axel » Sat Sep 25, 2010 9:13 pm

What are you going to do if villian shoves on the turn? That's the problem with playing with a short stack, you are always committed when you have top pair, especially with the nut flush draw. You won't be making this thread if villian showed up with a straight will you?
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Re: I really need to learn to get away from hands like these

Postby kr176 » Sat Sep 25, 2010 10:30 pm

just can't see a worst hand calling your turn shove...........having said that, can't get away from the hand once you see the turn. tough luck.
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Re: I really need to learn to get away from hands like these

Postby axel » Sat Sep 25, 2010 11:25 pm

If he had a straight then I wouldn't regret my decision to shove on the turn. On a paired board, he can't call all-in with his straight that easily, so I see that as fold equity. Even if he called, I still have outs to hit a flush or full house.



The whole point of this thread is about not shoving for a flush when the board paired, full house and quads have me crushed, the best I can hope for is for him to have trips. I wouldn't mind if he called all-in holding a made straight. I wanted to race with that hand. However, drawing dead is so sad....


Assuming that villian decides to check behind if you decide to 'slow down', are you going to check/fold when you rivered the nut flush if villian shoves river? You are being result-oriented in this hand, villian can easily have a worse hand than you here (bare flush draws, KQ, KT, K9 etc). In this hand you are just unlucky to run into the top of villian's range.
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Re: I really need to learn to get away from hands like these

Postby holypendant » Fri Oct 01, 2010 4:24 am

personally, i feel nothing wrong in tis playing. irregardless of wat ur move, that K landed on the turn had lure n trap to kill u. Villian had postion over u. if u chk on turn n river, he bet how small, u will still be inclined to call/raise all in since u r shortstack as u had top pair wit ace kicker on turn n flush on river. he dont have to raise over u. as he already had the nut! even if u r playing with big stack, the only thing that could happen is u reduce ur losses rather than all in and go crazy over top pair. nevertheless, this hand u r juz unlucky. =) don brood over it.. juz move on to next hand.. variance is part of game...
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