Online poker is rigged for sure

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Re: Online poker is rigged for sure

Postby chenghao » Tue Jan 18, 2011 11:16 am

DM101 wrote:I can only say that poker is a zero sum game.


Poker is a negative sum game ... cos the pokersites take a % of rake from the game
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Re: Online poker is rigged for sure

Postby t3n9 » Fri Jan 21, 2011 10:52 pm

Of course I got sucked so much playing ring, i turned to tourneys and heads ups. still the same.. a lot of the time i destroy some idiots and got the chip lead, sometimes 4 times the next fella.. but then run into all sorts of nonsense till i'm not even in the money. i can win small tourneys like $2 buy in 90 man tourneys, but when it comes to the bigger ones like $4 buy ins with 100+ for the winner, i always become the bubble boy despite playing well but get sucked out. I can shove with 10s vs 9 7, that guy will hit full house.. once i shove with kings vs an equally shortstacked 10 4, and board comes 10 10 4 4 ... its like everytime even though i am fave almost all the time, i can still lose like 25 consec heads up until my account is down to my last cents. A K vs A 6, hit 6, runner runner flushes, straights, quads.. even as i shove with the absolute nuts on the flop and got shaft by a set, that guy will be good most of the time. am i to fold when i got the fucking nut straight on the flop and got shaft for all my chips into the middle? its not like i cant fold a strong hand.. but i'm usually good and got sucked out so bad online. i managed to win a satellite and played APCOOP, its the same even in their so called big events.. I played 2 hands against pokerstars pro raymond wu, he can call my 5 time bb raise with 5 8 and flop trips while my A K got air.. then i got AK again and tried to make a strong play but he hit a set again against me.. even some of the guys at the table sympathised with me and we gave him hell after that...

I admit that I am not the best taker of bad beat and would usually accuse stars of rigging the game and what not and got chat warning before.. so if they can see what you;re talking about and regulate it, what say they can't manipulate the board? seriously, online is the best arena to rig cos they can rig it like as if god of gamblers is the dealer himself. they get a lot of money in rake, but look at their stable of stars and you know they would need more than that to support them.. even joe cada was sponsored to US 1 million BEFORE he won WSOP in 2009, BEFORE he was close to being a somebody. what about their 100+ other big established stars? and joe cada is a joke, go check him out playing live heads up on WSOP and national heads up. and he claimed that he is a heads up specialist! yeah if pokerstars like you you can be an online god easily. of course they need to have heroes like dwan, cada, etc so that other aspirants can dream to be one, put their money in the site, and let them eat it up! honestly the way dwan, isildur, etc plays online, they also rely heavily on coin flips a lot of the time, having risked so much money preflop and finding it hard to get out of it after that. doyle brunson says that some pros nowadays are really bad, but aren't most of them the top online sensations? and of course, there will be those with intermediate success, so that they can influence their respective communities that its possible that a common man can make it big.

I had enough of online poker. its clear as sky they choose their favourites. if it is about spotting how the sites rig the game so as to go in and try to bad beat others to gain success, i'd rather not waste my time playing poker like that. think about this.. if you were to create a poker site, are you gonna 1) just be good and earn just the rake money and do little promotions, 2) or spend money on ads, rakebacks, deposit bonuses, or even FREE MONEY without deposit, pay big money for the stars to promote the site and show them in their lush lifestyles, create interest, and then try to suck out as much as possible from the other players where you can earn so many times more than simply rake?
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Re: Online poker is rigged for sure

Postby ikelos » Sat Jan 22, 2011 2:14 am

you're clearly upset, and i'm not penning this with a view to changing your mind. Let's also be clear that i'm a moderator here, and that this forums takes some of the sites you mention as advertisers. Hence, i understand that what i say may be perceived as partisanship.

I would however, like to address a number of misgivings and suspicions regarding online poker that i'm sure many enthusiasts in our young community share. Since the discussion has largely centred upon Pokerstars, I'll use them as the chief example in my post.

Our cards are dealt by something called a Random Number Generator. Is it possible to rig this? Yes i'm sure it is. To maintain the integrity of their games however, all the big sites and networks have their RNGs voluntarily audited by third party companies. Stars and FTP use a company called Cigital, a fairly renown multinational consulting firm that specialises in online security. Are these guys in on the scam? Maybe. However testing RNGs is a small component of Cigital's overall business, and it's hard to imagine a multinational compromising its reputation and ultimately its entire business for this purpose.

Here's an article on a paper by someone from Cigital. It's co-authored by some professor, who's pretty happy to put his career and reputation on the line too: http://pokerworks.com/poker-news/2009/0 ... based.html

they get a lot of money in rake, but look at their stable of stars and you know they would need more than that to support them


stars does earn enough to support its stable of stars. Its daily rake revenues are eight figure sums. 1 million to secure Joe Cada and the rest of the November Nine is a small sum to pay for the amount of action the players will drive, in addition to the catastrophe of the player becoming a Fulltilt Pro instead.

Also, I'm not sure that Joe Cada would agree that the Stars RNG favours him. Check out his graph here: http://www.pokertableratings.com/stars- ... ch/jcada99

think about this.. if you were to create a poker site, are you gonna 1) just be good and earn just the rake money and do little promotions, 2) or spend money on ads, rakebacks, deposit bonuses, or even FREE MONEY without deposit, pay big money for the stars to promote the site and show them in their lush lifestyles, create interest, and then try to suck out as much as possible from the other players where you can earn so many times more than simply rake?


Stars earns rake revenue exclusively. It really is simply rake. When you lose, your money doesn't go to stars. It goes to other players. If you'll notice, stars is by far the most aggressive marketing spender in market. They've managed to do so by having the most traffic, and by not giving rakeback, and by giving crappy deposit bonuses. Look at the sites that don't spend money running live poker tours, creating or sponsoring TV shows. That money has gone back to the player as rakeback, instant deposit bonuses, free credits etc.

Put yourself in a site's shoes. Why rig the game, be found out, and lose your cash cow forever? Why target 'payers' , continually bad beat them, and piss them off? If a site were to rig the game, the most obviously profitable thing to do would be to let each player lose as little as possible, so the money stays in the system, and the rake continues to churn.

I'm pretty much with what the article pasted above says. At the end of the day (or a decent long run sample of 200k hands), I'll lose if i'm crap, regardless of how many times i bad beat opponents. Similarly, I'll be winning after 200k hands if I'm good, regardless of the seemingly endless bad beats i take.
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Re: Online poker is rigged for sure

Postby pokerace » Sun Jan 23, 2011 2:05 pm

Small site is rigged for sure,especially agent can let u play on credit.The problem for cash game if u win,will u going to put back some money back to your bankroll.Or u want to finish your money in one hand.At a certain time,even I have pocket kk,also have to fold somewhere at the river.May be u can try only at sng double or die to make your winning more easier.Sometime if we play too tight,poker is only a monotonous game.At end of the day,no bankroll management and self discipline,want to win online is not easy!
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Re: Online poker is rigged for sure

Postby imtheone » Thu Feb 10, 2011 10:17 pm

hahaah :)
you should just know how to play your money...
playing online is hell of fun... :)
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Re: Online poker is rigged for sure

Postby support » Fri Feb 11, 2011 12:04 pm

Personally... i feel casino odds are more rigged then online sites... :) House always wins.
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