River All in Bluff @ 20+2 rebuy tourney

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River All in Bluff @ 20+2 rebuy tourney

Postby felixleong » Wed Apr 16, 2008 10:04 am

PokerStars Game #16760600544: Tournament #84728885, $20+$2 Hold'em No Limit - Level IV (50/100) - 2008/04/15 - 21:49:26 (ET)
Table '84728885 23' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: jnabs81 (3035 in chips)
Seat 2: BEEELLOHHMEE (3456 in chips)
Seat 3: Ozone23 (14004 in chips)
Seat 4: milaa (5205 in chips)
Seat 5: gonna890 (325 in chips)
Seat 6: pokiQQ (8800 in chips)
Seat 7: pipi486 (4415 in chips)
Seat 8: CitizenJames (2760 in chips)
jnabs81: posts small blind 50
BEEELLOHHMEE: posts big blind 100
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to pipi486 [Ac 3d]
Ozone23: folds
milaa: folds
gonna890: folds
pokiQQ: folds
pipi486: raises 200 to 300
supergood1 is connected
CitizenJames: folds
jnabs81: calls 250
BEEELLOHHMEE: folds

A3 on the CO is great, a good hand to try steal the blinds

*** FLOP *** [2h Ks 4s]
jnabs81: checks
opp is a loose/passive opponent, I havn't been noticing him much at all

pipi486: bets 400
With only one high card(K), a good flop to make a continuation bet
I also have an inside straight draw as backup

jnabs81: calls 400
*** TURN *** [2h Ks 4s] [7h]
jnabs81: checks
pipi486: checks

since the cbet failed, he probably has something
I put him more towards a flushdraw or K/x
I check here to try to draw a A or a 5

*** RIVER *** [2h Ks 4s 7h] [6s]
jnabs81: checks

The river card completes a flush and he checks, this strongly indicates he wasn't on the flush draw, so his most likely hand is K/x or at least a mid pair 55,88-TT

With both parties having still plenty of chips behind this is a good spot for me to make a huge bluff. Representing that I hit the flush

pipi486: bets 3715 and is all-in
jnabs81: calls 2335 and is all-in

He instant called!!! well done on opp side, a truly strong call

*** SHOW DOWN ***
pipi486: shows [Ac 3d] (high card Ace)
jnabs81: shows [Js Kc] (a pair of Kings)
jnabs81 collected 6170 from pot

Maybe I should had made a 3/4 or pot size river bet instead of shoving. The fold equity might had only be slighly less or maybe even the same

So is this a good or bad bluff? feel free to comment ^_^
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Re: River All in Bluff @ 20+2 rebuy tourney

Postby vaevictis » Wed Apr 16, 2008 1:43 pm

Individual hand doesnt matter.

Deeper concept is that in this river spot, do you bet all in with:

AK
a made flush
a made straight
or even thinner pairs for value


In almost all cases, the answer is no, which means you are not balancing/merging your own range for this allin bet you make.

The result is that your range is highly polarised, its either the nuts/air. (+ how often do you make the nuts in holdem) Makes villian's decisions easier. If villian is a donk, obviously he is going to disbelieve u more than believing your bet, and this bet is -ev. If villian is a good thinking player and knows you don't balance your range well, obviously this is again -ev cus the times you win u win a small pot, the times you lose u lose a large pot, and against good players you just dont have much an edge here.


better play is to bet 2/3 - 3/4 pot and balance your range well with made hands/weak hands/bluff. Don't skew your range and make it easier for villian to make their decisions easier.
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Re: River All in Bluff @ 20+2 rebuy tourney

Postby felixleong » Wed Apr 16, 2008 2:21 pm

yeah, I got what you mean.

I think I missed out a lot on the balancing/merging range part of my bet.

Look back at all these, my all-in bet looks silly! Looked more like some random TV poker hahaha

Now I realised a bigger problem I have, cause I usually bet 1/3 to 1/2 on the river with straights or flushes
And bet like 2/3 to pot size with bluffs. Now I know what I've been doing is sooo -EV

Thanks for your advise, I'm gonna try to balance my range like strong hands/weak hands/bluff
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