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Rush poker raised small on river with top pair.

Postby littlemissangry » Sat Feb 12, 2011 1:15 am

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Preflop: Hero is SB with Js, Ks
4 folds, MP3 bets $12, CO calls $12, 1 fold, Hero calls $10, 1 fold

Flop: ($40) 7s, 3h, 5s (3 players)
Hero checks, MP3 checks, CO bets $28, Hero calls $28, 1 fold

Turn: ($96) Jh (2 players)
Hero checks, CO checks

River: ($96) 5h (2 players)
Hero bets $75, CO raises to $176, Hero ?
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Re: Rush poker raised small on river with top pair.

Postby sengkang » Sat Feb 12, 2011 1:39 am

If villian has a set on the flop, he will not check the turn with two flush draws on the board. Therefore he cannot have fullhouse on the river.

Likewise if villian has a straight on the flop (4,6), again he will not check the turn.

The 5h on the river completes a backdoor flush draw, and he does not seem to be worried about you having a flush. The small raise is screaming for you to call or raise. I therefore think the villian has the nut flush. A7h is a very likely hand.
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Re: Rush poker raised small on river with top pair.

Postby littlemissangry » Sat Feb 12, 2011 8:59 am

Its a backdoor flush so I probably wont have the flush more often than have. Do you think his small raise size indicates anything about his hand? What do you think he puts me on?
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Re: Rush poker raised small on river with top pair.

Postby xcaliblur » Sun Feb 13, 2011 12:18 am

why cant CO have a 5 for trip 5s? He could have called preflop with hands like 45 or 56 or A5 and hence flopped middle pair maybe with a gutshot draw.

And since turn came up an overcard he checked his pair 5s on the turn, only to hit trips on river.

While a heart flush is possible is a bit unlikely given how the hand was played out.

Still its a bit hard to comment as we have no idea on villains or hero's playing pattern. You have to keep in mind that there isnt much you can beat at the river, hence your hand is only somewhat of a bluff catcher.

IMO if you think villain is somewhat of a loose player, it might be worth to call seeing that he only put in a small raise. But if he is a tight or conservative player, then you would have to consider folding. My feel is that villain has trip 5s
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Re: Rush poker raised small on river with top pair.

Postby PokerCE » Sun Feb 13, 2011 12:46 pm

xcaliblur wrote:why cant CO have a 5 for trip 5s? He could have called preflop with hands like 45 or 56 or A5 and hence flopped middle pair maybe with a gutshot draw.

And since turn came up an overcard he checked his pair 5s on the turn, only to hit trips on river.

While a heart flush is possible is a bit unlikely given how the hand was played out.

Still its a bit hard to comment as we have no idea on villains or hero's playing pattern. You have to keep in mind that there isnt much you can beat at the river, hence your hand is only somewhat of a bluff catcher.

IMO if you think villain is somewhat of a loose player, it might be worth to call seeing that he only put in a small raise. But if he is a tight or conservative player, then you would have to consider folding. My feel is that villain has trip 5s



agree. same thought as you .
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Re: Rush poker raised small on river with top pair.

Postby sengkang » Sun Feb 13, 2011 5:29 pm

Yes, it is possible that villain has trip 5, but put yourself in villain's shoes.

Hero bet 3/4 pot on the river. If you are villain with trip 5, would you raise or just flat? What will you do if you raised and hero 4-bet or shoved? Personally, I will not take such a risk unless I have nut flush or better (Oops, just gave my strength away LOL :) ).

We can guess all we want but no one will know the actual answer unless our hero had called the raise and post the outcome.
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Re: Rush poker raised small on river with top pair.

Postby littlemissangry » Mon Feb 14, 2011 4:26 pm

I raised all in because I have top pair. And he folded.

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UTG+1 ($410)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Js, Ks
4 folds, MP3 bets $12, CO calls $12, 1 fold, Hero calls $10, 1 fold

Flop: ($40) 7s, 3h, 5s (3 players)
Hero checks, MP3 checks, CO bets $28, Hero calls $28, 1 fold

Turn: ($96) Jh (2 players)
Hero checks, CO checks

River: ($96) 5h (2 players)
Hero bets $75, CO raises to $176, Hero raises to $630 (All-In), 1 fold

Total pot: $448 | Rake: $3
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Re: Rush poker raised small on river with top pair.

Postby sengkang » Mon Feb 14, 2011 10:16 pm

Nice pot.

Precisely why I personally will not raise in villain's position unless I had at least a strong flush and will even fold trips.
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Re: Rush poker raised small on river with top pair.

Postby Froggy » Mon Feb 14, 2011 10:53 pm

littlemissangry wrote:I raised all in because I have top pair. And he folded.


^ Win!
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Re: Rush poker raised small on river with top pair.

Postby axel » Tue Feb 15, 2011 3:23 am

Are you shoving for value? Really can't see you getting called by worse...
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Re: Rush poker raised small on river with top pair.

Postby littlemissangry » Tue Feb 15, 2011 1:37 pm

Froggy wrote:
littlemissangry wrote:I raised all in because I have top pair. And he folded.


^ Win!

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Re: Rush poker raised small on river with top pair.

Postby AsiaPokerAcademy » Tue Feb 15, 2011 1:41 pm

axel wrote:Are you shoving for value? Really can't see you getting called by worse...



Ya.... there is definitely no value in a shove here. It is either shove or fold. When a shove gets called your top pair K kicker no good
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Re: Rush poker raised small on river with top pair.

Postby littlemissangry » Tue Feb 15, 2011 2:52 pm

AsiaPokerAcademy wrote:
axel wrote:Are you shoving for value? Really can't see you getting called by worse...



Ya.... there is definitely no value in a shove here. It is either shove or fold. When a shove gets called your top pair K kicker no good


would you call or fold? I was thinking whether my shove was good given that I had top pair.
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Re: Rush poker raised small on river with top pair.

Postby axel » Tue Feb 15, 2011 6:48 pm

You don't shove over a river raise "because you have top pair", you should be aware that "you only have top pair." Shoving in this spot is essentially turning your hand into a bluff. If villian has anything worse than your hand, he's most probably never calling you, so you don't win any additional money by shoving. In fact, you are going to lose your stack most of the time when villian actually has trip 5 or a flush.

I'm leaning more towards a fold on the river, unless you have a read on villian that he is capable of bluffraising the river. Then again, it's Rush Poker.
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