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Postby 124812 » Mon Dec 19, 2011 3:18 am

PokerStars Game #72382181653: Tournament #551010003, $10+$1 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level IV (40/80) - 2011/12/19 3:11:18 CCT [2011/12/18 14:11:18 ET]
Table '551010003 1233' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: unimatrix010 (4490 in chips)
Seat 2: Z3Nikos (8270 in chips)
Seat 3: m0gilev (4840 in chips)
Seat 4: Golfingrocks (9030 in chips)
Seat 5: mehail (5000 in chips)
Seat 6: ZevTTP (4700 in chips)
Seat 7: Rognpose (5490 in chips)
Seat 8: 124812 (9070 in chips)
Seat 9: RomkRF (3830 in chips)
RomkRF: posts small blind 40
unimatrix010: posts big blind 80
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to 124812 [Ad Kd]
Z3Nikos: calls 80
m0gilev: folds
Golfingrocks: folds
mehail: folds
ZevTTP: raises 220 to 300
Rognpose: folds
124812: calls 300
RomkRF: folds
unimatrix010: folds
Z3Nikos: calls 220
*** FLOP *** [Kh Ts Ac]
Z3Nikos: checks
ZevTTP: bets 555
124812: raises 555 to 1110
Z3Nikos: calls 1110
ZevTTP: calls 555
*** TURN *** [Kh Ts Ac] [2h]
Z3Nikos: checks
ZevTTP: checks
124812: bets 2480
Z3Nikos: raises 4380 to 6860 and is all-in
ZevTTP: folds
124812: calls 4380
*** RIVER *** [Kh Ts Ac 2h] [Jd]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Z3Nikos: shows [Jc Qs] (a straight, Ten to Ace)
124812: shows [Ad Kd] (two pair, Aces and Kings)
Z3Nikos collected 18070 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 18070 | Rake 0
Board [Kh Ts Ac 2h Jd]
Seat 1: unimatrix010 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: Z3Nikos showed [Jc Qs] and won (18070) with a straight, Ten to Ace
Seat 3: m0gilev folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: Golfingrocks folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: mehail folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: ZevTTP folded on the Turn
Seat 7: Rognpose folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: 124812 (button) showed [Ad Kd] and lost with two pair, Aces and Kings
Seat 9: RomkRF (small blind) folded before Flop
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Re: HOW PLAY THIS HAND?????

Postby 124812 » Mon Dec 19, 2011 3:36 am

PokerStars Game #72383631601: Tournament #551020010, $200+$15 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level I (20/40) - 2011/12/19 3:29:59 CCT [2011/12/18 14:29:59 ET]
Table '551020010 1445' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: sement15 (10000 in chips)
Seat 2: NaNervah (10000 in chips)
Seat 3: wgutierrez (10000 in chips)
Seat 4: nocnapanda (10000 in chips)
Seat 5: voodduu (10000 in chips)
Seat 6: 124812 (10000 in chips)
Seat 7: ILoveTens (10000 in chips)
Seat 8: Cr1sT1anO_71 (10000 in chips)
Seat 9: street know (10000 in chips)
NaNervah: posts small blind 20
wgutierrez: posts big blind 40
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to 124812 [Ad Ah]
nocnapanda: calls 40
voodduu: folds
124812: raises 240 to 280
ILoveTens: folds
Cr1sT1anO_71: folds
street know: folds
sement15: folds
NaNervah: folds
wgutierrez: folds
nocnapanda: calls 240
*** FLOP *** [Qd 7h 5s]
nocnapanda: checks
124812: bets 310
nocnapanda: calls 310
*** TURN *** [Qd 7h 5s] [Td]
nocnapanda: bets 1240
124812: calls 1240
*** RIVER *** [Qd 7h 5s Td] [4d]
nocnapanda: bets 8170 and is all-in
124812: folds [Ad Ah]
Uncalled bet (8170) returned to nocnapanda
nocnapanda collected 3720 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 3720 | Rake 0
Board [Qd 7h 5s Td 4d]
Seat 1: sement15 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: NaNervah (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: wgutierrez (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: nocnapanda collected (3720)
Seat 5: voodduu folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: 124812 folded on the River
Seat 7: ILoveTens folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: Cr1sT1anO_71 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: street know folded before Flop (didn't bet)
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Re: HOW PLAY THIS HAND?????

Postby 124812 » Mon Dec 19, 2011 3:38 am

he said that he had AQ after that
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Re: HOW PLAY THIS HAND?????

Postby felixleong » Wed Dec 21, 2011 2:48 pm

124812 wrote:PokerStars Game #72382181653: Tournament #551010003, $10+$1 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level IV (40/80) - 2011/12/19 3:11:18 CCT [2011/12/18 14:11:18 ET]
Table '551010003 1233' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: unimatrix010 (4490 in chips)
Seat 2: Z3Nikos (8270 in chips)
Seat 3: m0gilev (4840 in chips)
Seat 4: Golfingrocks (9030 in chips)
Seat 5: mehail (5000 in chips)
Seat 6: ZevTTP (4700 in chips)
Seat 7: Rognpose (5490 in chips)
Seat 8: 124812 (9070 in chips)
Seat 9: RomkRF (3830 in chips)
RomkRF: posts small blind 40
unimatrix010: posts big blind 80
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to 124812 [Ad Kd]
Z3Nikos: calls 80 (very passive player to limp UTG... could also have been AA/AK Limp/raise trap)
m0gilev: folds
Golfingrocks: folds
mehail: folds
ZevTTP: raises 220 to 300 (solid raise with position, expect high cards or decent pair)
Rognpose: folds
124812: calls 300 (difficult spot... calling here is not too good, if UTG re-raise what will you do? On the other hand you had position which is great. For me i would had re-raise here to 700-800 to see where I am, hoping to go heads up)
RomkRF: folds
unimatrix010: folds
Z3Nikos: calls 220
*** FLOP *** [Kh Ts Ac] (strong texture, easily giving someone 2 pair if they were playing high cards)
Z3Nikos: checks
ZevTTP: bets 555 (1/2 pot bet, 3 handed this means strength)
124812: raises 555 to 1110 (min raise looks like a suck bet, you could do this with a nut straight but with Top 2 you could had raise more define the situation on the flop.. anyway base on stack pot ratio you are already committed)
Z3Nikos: calls 1110
ZevTTP: calls 555
*** TURN *** [Kh Ts Ac] [2h]
Z3Nikos: checks
ZevTTP: checks
124812: bets 2480
Z3Nikos: raises 4380 to 6860 and is all-in
ZevTTP: folds
124812: calls 4380
*** RIVER *** [Kh Ts Ac 2h] [Jd]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Z3Nikos: shows [Jc Qs] (a straight, Ten to Ace)
124812: shows [Ad Kd] (two pair, Aces and Kings) (top 2 vs a straight, no way u can avoid losing the stack.. move on)
Z3Nikos collected 18070 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 18070 | Rake 0
Board [Kh Ts Ac 2h Jd]
Seat 1: unimatrix010 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: Z3Nikos showed [Jc Qs] and won (18070) with a straight, Ten to Ace
Seat 3: m0gilev folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: Golfingrocks folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: mehail folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: ZevTTP folded on the Turn
Seat 7: Rognpose folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: 124812 (button) showed [Ad Kd] and lost with two pair, Aces and Kings
Seat 9: RomkRF (small blind) folded before Flop
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Re: HOW PLAY THIS HAND?????

Postby felixleong » Wed Dec 21, 2011 2:52 pm

124812 wrote:PokerStars Game #72383631601: Tournament #551020010, $200+$15 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level I (20/40) - 2011/12/19 3:29:59 CCT [2011/12/18 14:29:59 ET]
Table '551020010 1445' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: sement15 (10000 in chips)
Seat 2: NaNervah (10000 in chips)
Seat 3: wgutierrez (10000 in chips)
Seat 4: nocnapanda (10000 in chips)
Seat 5: voodduu (10000 in chips)
Seat 6: 124812 (10000 in chips)
Seat 7: ILoveTens (10000 in chips)
Seat 8: Cr1sT1anO_71 (10000 in chips)
Seat 9: street know (10000 in chips)
NaNervah: posts small blind 20
wgutierrez: posts big blind 40
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to 124812 [Ad Ah]
nocnapanda: calls 40 (only weak players limp UTG... or maybe he is tricky)
voodduu: folds
124812: raises 240 to 280 ( good raise for value)
ILoveTens: folds
Cr1sT1anO_71: folds
street know: folds
sement15: folds
NaNervah: folds
wgutierrez: folds
nocnapanda: calls 240 (a call is great, he is out of position)
*** FLOP *** [Qd 7h 5s] (relatively dry flop... no real straight or flush draw... here you are playing to milk money from QX,JJ-99)
nocnapanda: checks (check to raiser, standard)
124812: bets 310 (half pot bet is okay)
nocnapanda: calls 310
*** TURN *** [Qd 7h 5s] [Td]
nocnapanda: bets 1240 (when u see this bet, you have to think how the turn card helped him? logically only QT or TT should make this play)
124812: calls 1240 (calling for value is fine)
*** RIVER *** [Qd 7h 5s Td] [4d]
nocnapanda: bets 8170 and is all-in (nothing to bluff)
124812: folds [Ad Ah] (good fold)
Uncalled bet (8170) returned to nocnapanda
nocnapanda collected 3720 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 3720 | Rake 0
Board [Qd 7h 5s Td 4d]
Seat 1: sement15 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: NaNervah (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: wgutierrez (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: nocnapanda collected (3720)
Seat 5: voodduu folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: 124812 folded on the River
Seat 7: ILoveTens folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: Cr1sT1anO_71 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: street know folded before Flop (didn't bet)
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Re: HOW PLAY THIS HAND?????

Postby MJFX » Wed Dec 21, 2011 3:20 pm

I like ur hand reading!
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Re: HOW PLAY THIS HAND?????

Postby Brasstal » Wed Dec 21, 2011 7:42 pm

Okay my two cents worth.

These will be very helpful
1.) If you are using a HUD it will be very helpful if u posted stats + hand sample size
2.) If you have observations eg. Villain has been squeezing a lot/ Villain plays weak and limp called AQ and showed down once before the hand
3.) Info on Villain if you have OPR or played with them before eg. respected pro or unknown / winning or losing player

1st Hand :

PokerStars Game #72382181653: Tournament #551010003, $10+$1 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level IV (40/80) - 2011/12/19 3:11:18 CCT [2011/12/18 14:11:18 ET]
Table '551010003 1233' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: unimatrix010 (4490 in chips)
Seat 2: Z3Nikos (8270 in chips) -> VILLIAN 103BB1
Seat 3: m0gilev (4840 in chips)
Seat 4: Golfingrocks (9030 in chips)
Seat 5: mehail (5000 in chips)
Seat 6: ZevTTP (4700 in chips) -> VILLIAN2 59BB
Seat 7: Rognpose (5490 in chips)
Seat 8: 124812 (9070 in chips) -> HERO is about 113BB deep
Seat 9: RomkRF (3830 in chips)
RomkRF: posts small blind 40
unimatrix010: posts big blind 80
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to 124812 [Ad Kd]
Z3Nikos: calls 80
m0gilev: folds
Golfingrocks: folds
mehail: folds
ZevTTP: raises 220 to 300
Rognpose: folds
124812: calls 300
RomkRF: folds
unimatrix010: folds
Z3Nikos: calls 220
*** FLOP *** [Kh Ts Ac]
Z3Nikos: checks
ZevTTP: bets 555
124812: raises 555 to 1110
Z3Nikos: calls 1110
ZevTTP: calls 555
*** TURN *** [Kh Ts Ac]
Z3Nikos: checks
ZevTTP: checks
124812: bets 2480
Z3Nikos: raises 4380 to 6860 and is all-in
ZevTTP: folds
124812: calls 4380
*** RIVER *** [Kh Ts Ac 2h]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Z3Nikos: shows [Jc Qs] (a straight, Ten to Ace)
124812: shows [Ad Kd] (two pair, Aces and Kings)
Z3Nikos collected 18070 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 18070 | Rake 0


IMO I 3bet prob to something like 850 and if Villain 1 4bets or shoves I can fold. If Villain 2 4bets or shoves i call. But TBH I get it in 100BB against both of them, just because its a $10 Tourny.

I don't like the min-raise on the flop. You lose value this way.

If he has AQ or AJ and is a decent player than u are losing tonnes of value here getting him to fire one more street. You basically put a good player to a decision on the flop. I prefer flatting and getting it in on the turn. Raising the flop you only get action from (The hands you beat) = AT and if he is bad AJ,AQ,A9,KQ,KJ or else if he is a decent player you only get action from (The hands that beat you).

You fold out his bluffing range as well.

Flatting flop allows you to induce an extra barrel because you rep : a strong Ace, KQ, a weak ace, QQ, JJ - well depending on your image. Flatting also allows AQ or AJ to possibly barrel you and "protect his hand". If he has AT he is barreling the turn anyway. If he has AA KK QJ and has you beat, you are paying him off anyway. So this is a better play. That is, if you decided to flat the hand pre. If he is bluffing, he bluffs one extra bet into you on the turn anyway.
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Re: HOW PLAY THIS HAND?????

Postby Brasstal » Wed Dec 21, 2011 7:52 pm

This one is slightly more interesting because its in the Sunday Million or something similar.

PokerStars Game #72383631601: Tournament #551020010, $200+$15 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level I (20/40) - 2011/12/19 3:29:59 CCT [2011/12/18 14:29:59 ET]
Table '551020010 1445' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: sement15 (10000 in chips)
Seat 2: NaNervah (10000 in chips)
Seat 3: wgutierrez (10000 in chips)
Seat 4: nocnapanda (10000 in chips)
Seat 5: voodduu (10000 in chips)
Seat 6: 124812 (10000 in chips)
Seat 7: ILoveTens (10000 in chips)
Seat 8: Cr1sT1anO_71 (10000 in chips)
Seat 9: street know (10000 in chips)
NaNervah: posts small blind 20
wgutierrez: posts big blind 40
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to 124812 [Ad Ah]
nocnapanda: calls 40
voodduu: folds
124812: raises 240 to 280
ILoveTens: folds
Cr1sT1anO_71: folds
street know: folds
sement15: folds
NaNervah: folds
wgutierrez: folds
nocnapanda: calls 240
*** FLOP *** [Qd 7h 5s]
nocnapanda: checks
124812: bets 310
nocnapanda: calls 310
*** TURN *** [Qd 7h 5s]
nocnapanda: bets 1240
124812: calls 1240
*** RIVER *** [Qd 7h 5s Td]
nocnapanda: bets 8170 and is all-in
124812: folds [Ad Ah]
Uncalled bet (8170) returned to nocnapanda
nocnapanda collected 3720 from pot


So its probably hand no.1 or something. I like the big raise size if it is against an unknown. There are a lot of bad players even in a $215 event like the SM.

I like the flop bet sizing. Standard.

I like the turn bet as well. Although it really improves his hand range. Eg. if he has a hand that could call the flop it was probably something like : AQ,QQ,JJ (not sure if he limp/calls there), KQ,QJ,QT,Q9s,89,7dXd, 68 etc etc. So this improves his holdings.

I probably bet here and re-evaluate if he CR the turn. Although with the stacks, and hand strength I am representing I doubt he CR bluffs here or CR draws here. Esp an unknown, they get a lot of pressure and delusions of "implied odds" so they prob call with their draws here / made hands. I really like the size of the bet too.

The river is an easy fold IMO. Still a lot of play have with your stack size. IMO it would be better questions posted if you included such questions in your post ie. "Other scenarios".

1.) What if Villain donk bet $3,500
2.) What if Villain checked do I go for thin value here?
3.) What if Villain bet $2,850

Hope my analysis was helpful.
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