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First hand Sunday 10M $215

Postby Brasstal » Wed Dec 21, 2011 7:58 pm

Poker Stars $200+$15 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t20/t40 Blinds - 9 players - View hand 1568512
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MP2: t10000 250 BBs
CO: t10040 251 BBs
BTN: t9940 248.50 BBs
SB: t9960 249 BBs
Hero (BB): t10000 250 BBs
UTG: t10000 250 BBs
UTG+1: t10060 251.50 BBs
UTG+2: t10000 250 BBs
MP1: t10000 250 BBs

Pre Flop: (t60) Hero is BB with KImage KImage
2 folds, UTG+2 raises to t80, 3 folds, BTN calls t80, 1 fold, Hero raises to t360, UTG+2 calls t280, 1 fold

Flop: (t820) 5Image 8Image TImage (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG+2 checks

Turn: (t820) QImage (2 players)
Hero bets t480, UTG+2 calls t480

River: (t1780) KImage (2 players)
Hero bets t1168, UTG+2 raises to t4080, Hero ????
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Re: First hand Sunday 10M $215

Postby axel » Wed Dec 21, 2011 8:20 pm

Why the check on the flop? I guess call and hope villian got a weirdly played AA or QQ.
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Re: First hand Sunday 10M $215

Postby DM101 » Wed Dec 21, 2011 8:25 pm

UTG+2 has AJ?

Should be a fold anyway. Still early in the tourney.
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Re: First hand Sunday 10M $215

Postby MJFX » Wed Dec 21, 2011 8:28 pm

im going to put him on 67.
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Re: First hand Sunday 10M $215

Postby LukeWinstonPS » Wed Dec 21, 2011 8:30 pm

Assuming i didn't know the outcome, i'd say he's putting u on AK or AA and he has 2 pairs or an inferior set.

Knowing the outcome, that's pretty unlucky. That's probably the only river card that you can call an overbet with.
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Re: First hand Sunday 10M $215

Postby MJFX » Wed Dec 21, 2011 8:39 pm

LukeWinstonPS wrote:Assuming i didn't know the outcome, i'd say he's putting u on AK or AA and he has 2 pairs or an inferior set.

Knowing the outcome, that's pretty unlucky. That's probably the only river card that you can call an overbet with.


what do you assume you don't know the outcome? you mean you saw the hand. so it was AJ...
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Re: First hand Sunday 10M $215

Postby LukeWinstonPS » Wed Dec 21, 2011 8:46 pm

I didn't see it, but i remembered he said he was down to 5k early on so I'm assuming this is that hand. Not sure if it was this tho.

Spoiler alert?
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Re: First hand Sunday 10M $215

Postby MJFX » Wed Dec 21, 2011 8:57 pm

LukeWinstonPS wrote:I didn't see it, but i remembered he said he was down to 5k early on so I'm assuming this is that hand. Not sure if it was this tho.

Spoiler alert?


yes spoiler!
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Re: First hand Sunday 10M $215

Postby LukeWinstonPS » Wed Dec 21, 2011 8:59 pm

Lol my bad. Please don't ban me.
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Re: First hand Sunday 10M $215

Postby molaboy » Wed Dec 21, 2011 9:35 pm

AJ? nah must be 9Js and went for the conservative check on the flop since he is IP and avoiding x/r. I will bet here 100% to balance my air CB if were the hero.
villain flatting the turn makes me believe he made the nuts since there is no flush and very unlikely he put you on QQ, if so he would have raise you.
villain is drooling after seeing the K on the river becoz no way our hero will play AJ like this (specially OOP pre).

regardless, I'll call. unless i really know the villain that well.
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Re: First hand Sunday 10M $215

Postby Brasstal » Thu Dec 22, 2011 11:46 am

Well i guess Luke really spoiler there but I got a few questions :

1.) Do you ever re-raise the river for value? Will he call with worse?
2.) Is flatting a for sure? Is there anyway to fold here?
3.) Will you change the river sizing to possibly pot it? To let him call with 2 pairs & even possible J9 etc and only raise with the nuts?
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Re: First hand Sunday 10M $215

Postby mrjorisa » Thu Dec 22, 2011 2:10 pm

1) no, cant see any worse hand calling if u ship
2) no, i think folding river is the best play here without any real info on villain. you're only hoping villain has KQ (3 combos) and 67s (4 combos). he will never have a set for obvious reasons. with the raise sizing its sort of a FML fold.
3) i think by potting it you'll miss value from hands that may call a normal bet size
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Re: First hand Sunday 10M $215

Postby MJFX » Thu Dec 22, 2011 2:18 pm

Brasstal wrote:Well i guess Luke really spoiler there but I got a few questions :

1.) Do you ever re-raise the river for value? Will he call with worse?
2.) Is flatting a for sure? Is there anyway to fold here?
3.) Will you change the river sizing to possibly pot it? To let him call with 2 pairs & even possible J9 etc and only raise with the nuts?


My humble opinion:
1.Pretty polarised at the river.
Cant re-raise, hands that KKK beat would have just called the river bet. ( 2 pair hands).
If villian bluffing with a raise there, wont call ur 3 bet shove anyway.

2.flat and fold - tough spot. Im more inclined folding.
i think hero only going to beat badly played KQ & KT and bluffs there. Majority of hands KK beat (KQ,KT) would have shown strength earlier streets.

3. Hands that could call hero's pot bet may be inclined to bet if hero has checked. I know this sounds silly - missing value, but it is still early stage.
No, wont pot size bet. If villian pot size bet, i can flat there, also make it easier to bluff catch.
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Re: First hand Sunday 10M $215

Postby Brasstal » Thu Dec 22, 2011 5:17 pm

Finally some legit discussions on this site!

Personally I think I still call on the river 100% of the time especially against an unknown. I fold river more often to known players. IMHO unknowns overvalue their made hands on the river eg, his KQ's KT's. If the river sizing was smaller I would be inclined to even include KJ, AK in his range for raising there. But with this sizing, as some of you ahve mentioned, the hands I only beat are probably 67, KQ and I think KT.

I also think there is a fair amount of bluff in his range here with the size of his raise.

As an unkown there is also a small possibility of a very retardedly played QQ and less likely TT, 88 here. Especially when playing against a team pro.

Appreciate your views! Hope to get interesting hands from the rest of you!
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