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What would u have done here?

Postby 124812 » Thu Dec 22, 2011 4:51 pm

PokerStars Game #72574243794: Tournament #552010134, $30+$3 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level III (25/50) - 2011/12/22 16:39:24 CCT [2011/12/22 3:39:24 ET]
Table '552010134 11' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: 124812 (7759 in chips)
Seat 2: Freeway1988 (8581 in chips)
Seat 3: Liquid Lash (7538 in chips)
Seat 4: pokermai (3866 in chips)
Seat 5: GKrae2 (4680 in chips)
Seat 6: jae-cuts (4653 in chips)
Seat 7: Chocoyote (8501 in chips)
Seat 8: mihal224 (9952 in chips)
Seat 9: SC72A (2070 in chips)
SC72A: posts small blind 25
124812: posts big blind 50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to 124812 [Ks Ah]
Freeway1988: raises 50 to 100
Liquid Lash: folds
pokermai: folds
GKrae2: calls 100
jae-cuts: folds
Chocoyote: calls 100
mihal224: folds
SC72A: raises 1970 to 2070 and is all-in
124812: raises 5689 to 7759 and is all-in
Freeway1988: raises 822 to 8581 and is all-in
GKrae2: folds
Chocoyote: folds
Uncalled bet (822) returned to Freeway1988
*** FLOP *** [Ts Jh 5c]
*** TURN *** [Ts Jh 5c] [Jc]
*** RIVER *** [Ts Jh 5c Jc] [7c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
124812: shows [Ks Ah] (a pair of Jacks)
Freeway1988: shows [Ac Ad] (two pair, Aces and Jacks)
Freeway1988 collected 11378 from side pot
SC72A: shows [Qh As] (a pair of Jacks)
Freeway1988 collected 6410 from main pot
124812 finished the tournament in 106th place
SC72A finished the tournament in 107th place
hastah is connected
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 17788 Main pot 6410. Side pot 11378. | Rake 0
Board [Ts Jh 5c Jc 7c]
Seat 1: 124812 (big blind) showed [Ks Ah] and lost with a pair of Jacks
Seat 2: Freeway1988 showed [Ac Ad] and won (17788) with two pair, Aces and Jacks
Seat 3: Liquid Lash folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: pokermai folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: GKrae2 folded before Flop
Seat 6: jae-cuts folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: Chocoyote folded before Flop
Seat 8: mihal224 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: SC72A (small blind) showed [Qh As] and lost with a pair of Jacks
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Re: What would u have done here?

Postby Brasstal » Thu Dec 22, 2011 5:00 pm

use a hand converter pls
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Re: What would u have done here?

Postby 124812 » Thu Dec 22, 2011 5:09 pm

Poker Stars $30+$3 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t25/t50 Blinds - 9 players - View hand 1569320
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Hero (BB): t7759 155.18 BBs
UTG: t8581 171.62 BBs
UTG+1: t7538 150.76 BBs
UTG+2: t3866 77.32 BBs
MP1: t4680 93.60 BBs
MP2: t4653 93.06 BBs
CO: t8501 170.02 BBs
BTN: t9952 199.04 BBs
SB: t2070 41.40 BBs

Pre Flop: (t75) Hero is BB with K :spade: A :heart:
UTG raises to t100, 2 folds, MP1 calls t100, 1 fold, CO calls t100, 1 fold, SB raises to t2070 all in, Hero raises to t7759 all in, UTG raises to t8581 all in, 2 folds

Flop: (t17788) T :spade: J :heart: 5 :club: (3 players - 3 are all in)

Turn: (t17788) J :club: (3 players - 3 are all in)

River: (t17788) 7 :club: (3 players - 3 are all in)
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Re: What would u have done here?

Postby axel » Thu Dec 22, 2011 8:00 pm

Looks fine to me
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Re: What would u have done here?

Postby valkyr » Fri Dec 23, 2011 10:32 am

cant get away from this sry
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Re: What would u have done here?

Postby boymalap » Fri Dec 23, 2011 1:03 pm

With this level buyin, UTG ranges are basically AQ+,1010+.i cant see him raise with anything weaker.

And the sb push ranges is definately QQ+,AK unless u have hand histories with him.
Ur basically flipping most of the time.Easy fold this early in the tourny.
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Re: What would u have done here?

Postby 124812 » Fri Dec 23, 2011 3:03 pm

ok thanks for your comments...
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Re: What would u have done here?

Postby xcaliblur » Sun Dec 25, 2011 1:33 am

While its true that AK is a premium hand, you have to consider other factors as well. For example, thinking about the first person's all in, the only hand that you have crushed is AQ or AJ. As previous poster points out most other possible hand combinations you are up against would be a cointoss. Not to mention that there is an UTG raiser to move after you. Another thing would be your chipstack- you have just a blind invested so far, why would you risk a significant portion of your chipstack (30% if UTG doesnt call, or 100% if UTG calls your all in) in what would most commonly be a cointoss, or in worse case scenarios your hand dominated? Dont forget that the raise was from 100 to 2000, which is 20 times- opponent HAS to have something good to raise crazily like this.

Now if you are short stacked or if calling the allin wouldnt jeapordize a big portion of your stack, then definitely youd have to call- but point is that you have a very healthy chipstack and so you would not and should not risk it in cointoss situations.

boymalap is 100% right there.
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Re: What would u have done here?

Postby Breen » Mon Dec 26, 2011 4:58 pm

Agreed with the aboves.

One thing you MIGHT want to consider, especially with hands that need to flop good, is call the 41bb raise. Now if you get shoved on, you can consider what UTG was holding.

Read into his history and table image. He minraised UTG and could be sorta-kinda trapping or wanting to see a flop with suited, AJ+ or JJ QQ and trapping with Kings and Aces. Not many would min-raise with AK/99+ UTG though. Queens for UTG-minraise would be a flip situation and if your comfortable with a flip this early for chip leadish stack no one is stopping you, but its not optimal play for tournament survival. Then when shoved on you a 100+bb stack, I would reckon his range is down to Kings and Aces.

Since you shoved, its insta-called and your more or less done. If you had Jacks to Aces a shove from you is normal. With hands that need to gambol, AQ or mid-pairs, I tend to like to call with a stack early in a tournament and decide on any other further action. If I had say a 20-40bb stack, I would of course call/shove with 8s-AJ.

With 50-80bb, I may, and only may, call with AJ-Qs. I would usually shove over as well and gg in this case with the Ks/As of UTG. Lets say even if you called and UTG folded and you lose to SB, you still have a shoving stack and hope you get luckier later. But with a hundo+ stack, I'm gambling almost all the time for 30% of my stack.

Even if UTG was full of it, (JTs/QJ+/A-rag), and we folded, I still have chips for further use. Use it to punish UTG later.

The points I would boil down to is stack size in relations to tournament level (M ratio) and WWutgD. As xcaliblur said, your putting 30% on a call rather then risking 100% on a shove early in a tournament to what usually be a cointoss. Gambol when you need to, not all the time.
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Re: What would u have done here?

Postby deragoku » Fri Apr 27, 2012 9:15 am

The scope of pushing someone is definately the QQ, AK, The unless there is a history of his hand.
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Re: What would u have done here?

Postby gosubay » Sun Apr 29, 2012 3:55 am

hmm if both of u were 100bb this is a clear fold.

given his stack size of 40bb, I think a call might be good here, depending on how aggressive he is and how tight the early opener is. It would definitely be a call if he had 30bb or less. Also I think the fact that you are deep allows u to gamble more, if this is like half ur stack I probably just fold.
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